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lots of other people have had work done by them and are very happy, theres a lot more to this story than Cal has posted ;)

Why can't you just accept what Cal is saying as true and stop trying to rubbish he statement of events.

I trust Cal and I believe what he has posted. I have spoken to Cal a lot about the problems he has had and the claims of power gain made to him by GSR.

Yes there were also problems with ChippedUK but this has since been resolved and there is nothing to saying ChippedUK have done anything wrong.

However, the fact remains that Cal has had tools damaged and stolen, his car damaged and used as a dumping ground, the promised time scales totally ignored, he's been lied to and he actually had to go down and help put the car back together to actually get it back. Regardless of the question over whether the work had actually been carried out or not, those points are more than bad enough for people to be weary about getting work done by GSR.
 
Ive had problems with GSR in the past but most people just pass it off as nothing because they are such a "superb" company.

I wont go into it as its not my thread but I wont be touching GSR again nor qwould i recomend them. There off the shelf prod ucts (induction kits etc) are good, ive no idea about headwork etc.. but the general service you recieve from them in appauling.

Stay away.
 
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some one who is better at writing than me said:
Hi Dave,

I am not a member on fiat forum but if you want you can quote me on this message...

"Hi cal, well done for more libal comments...

Ok I shall tell the story truthfully this time.

Cal got a quote for around £500 to fit a performance head for this car - Bargin right.
Well Peter is an engineer and not a mechanic, to save Cal money rather than using Clovertech to do mechanical work that is normally done he would kill two birds with one stone, save cal money and give his friend some work, this friend ended up doing half a job and when peter found out he told him where to go, I know this because I was there when they argued. Cal knows this and Cal also knows how Peter has tried to help ever since.
Peter completed the job, albet abit slow because he was finishing something he didnt start himself, cal came down to sort it out as well as it is in his best interests.
Now peter knew his service was bad in this instance and did what I think was MORE than fair to solve issues, so immediatly dropped the price so fitting was free (he only paid for parts supplied), he then offered a free bespoke remap supplied by Chippeduk that he paid for. Amazing right, happy days yes? No...

Cals car was not burning fuel properly, it was making power but only in very high revs indicating an ignition fault, my advice to cal was to replace the coil pack, it was 60,000miles old and never replaced... After much complaining of having to replace a consumable part he did so expecting 20bhp more all of a sudden, and didnt get it.

I am not an expert on Cals car, nor am I an expert in any particular field of motoring (just an enthusiast like everyone else) however if an ECU mapping expert tells me my ECU's knackard and it isnt holding the remap in the eprom I wouldn't ignore that advice and say everything anyone has done is ****.

So to recap.
Cals car has a problem, not to do with parts supplied, normally a company would supply and fit the part and thats it, Colombo and Barrini make cams and alot of people rate them, yet they themselves make no estimates on power as they also know their part doesnt make the power its all parts and all parts must be working.
But GSR is different, they fitted the parts, I maybe wrong but his induction kit was free (going off something cal said), they dropped the original price, they supplied a free remap (normally £250) and cal has been 3 times to Chippeduk for a remap 3 times.
They couldn't work out the problem at first but the professionals have blamed the ecu, (not an expensive part on the second hand market these days) but he ignores this FREE advice and turns down the offer of Chippeduk to strip and rebuild the engine costing thousands from a company other than GSR to try and solve the problem.
Cal I am afriad is a young boy who doesn't understand cars as well as he should, you know the type that ask "What would you actually need to run a low boost turbo on a 1.6 engine?" Jan this year.

Come on..."

i did know most of this my self but am not too good at writing stuff down.
 
Problem with the ECU?

No there wasn't, ChippedUK said it had been fixed there and then and that the map would 100% be held and not lost.
 
Well on reading this I am amazed,

Chipped UK have done a good job on my car in both engine forms and the mapping which should have cost a lot more was given at a heavily discounted price.

They are also tweaking the map for free, since my car is an experimentation.

As for GSR Peter takes some pestering sometimes but the products I have recieved are all damn good imo.
 
However, the fact remains that Cal has had tools damaged and stolen, his car damaged and used as a dumping ground, the promised time scales totally ignored, he's been lied to and he actually had to go down and help put the car back together to actually get it back. Regardless of the question over whether the work had actually been carried out or not, those points are more than bad enough for people to be weary about getting work done by GSR.

:rolleyes:
 
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i did know most of this my self but am not too good at writing stuff down.


Regardless of Cals knowledge about cars, he took his car to an "expert" who he believed could be trusted to improve the performance of his car. This hasn't happened.

I don't know anything about plumbing, but if I phoned a plumber to install a radiator or something and it wasn't right, It wouldn't be my fault for not knowing the ins and outs of plumbing.
 
Just to add, I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who have had nothing but good service from GSR. But this thread just shows that they are not perfect all the time.

I bet the same could be said about the other companies found in this section.
 
Regardless of Cals knowledge about cars, he took his car to an "expert" who he believed could be trusted to improve the performance of his car. This hasn't happened.

i wouldn't call someone who has never worked on the 1.6 engine before an expert on them.

did he ever take up the good will offer that some one made to leave the car with then for 2 weeks and it would all be sorted?
surley that would have shown him weather or not the work was done!
 
i wouldn't call someone who has never worked on the 1.6 engine before an expert on them.

did he ever take up the good will offer that some one made to leave the car with then for 2 weeks and it would all be sorted?
surley that would have shown him weather or not the work was done!

Well I'm sorry but if that's the case Peter should have never taken on the work if he didn't feel confident he could produce the claims he made.
 
Ok... but surely if GSR/ChippedUK are offering to strip it to show the work has been performed, what is the problem there :confused: Surely all parties want the same thing... the car sorted and the issue resolved... and RR time is not cheap and with the amount its seen, to me this says that pete wants to get it resolved just as much as Cal does...

Edit: well and the fact that he is willing to take it to bits to show the work done...
 
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Ok... but surely if GSR/ChippedUK are offering to strip it to show the work has been performed, what is the problem there :confused: Surely all parties want the same thing... the car sorted and the issue resolved... and RR time is not cheap and with the amount its seen, to me this says that pete wants to get it resolved just as much as Cal does...

Edit: well and the fact that he is willing to take it to bits to show the work done...


:yeahthat:

My car is a 16v and has been used for over a year for testing purposes and no harm has come to mine I have faith and trust his judgment totally he always puts himself out for people to the detriment of his health and family life he rarely gets in from work most nights before 12.30 and he always considers whats best for the customer and yes he is very hard to get hold of such is the demand on his time .. OK sh*t happens some times show me a garage that hasn't cocked up at some time and I will say then they must have peeps queuing all night to get in there :rolleyes: I am dismayed by Chaos'es post as he knows that I am in contact with Peter very often and could have sorted out his order very quickly if he wanted it and couldn't get hold of him :rolleyes: Believe you me Peter is as straight as a dye and goes out of his way to help and resolve all problems that have occurred ..he wouldn't want it any other way such is the nature of this man :mad:
 
A combanation of cristian and andy I would imagine said:
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Originally Posted by some one who is better at writing than me
Hi Dave,

I am not a member on fiat forum but if you want you can quote me on this message...

"Hi cal, well done for more libal comments...It's only liable if its not true. Glad you realised the difference between slander and liable now though cristian

Ok I shall tell the story truthfully this time.

Cal got a quote for around £500 to fit a performance head for this car - Bargin right.I was quoted a price, bargain or rip off the price was peters choice.
Well Peter is an engineer and not a mechanic, to save Cal money rather than using Clovertech to do mechanical work that is normally done he would kill two birds with one stone, save cal money and give his friend some work, this friend ended up doing half a job and when peter found out he told him where to go, I know this because I was there when they argued. Cal knows this and Cal also knows how Peter has tried to help ever since.You mean peter went behind the back of a very good business friend of his and done the job seperatley, taking one of his mechanics to do it? Good start. He has not tried to help ever since, I spoke to him several times in which he just rambled and did not once offer any real suggestions on the problems. All he did was totaly dismiss your suggestion of leads/coil pack with a 'no chance'
Peter completed the job, albet abit slow because he was finishing something he didnt start himself, cal came down to sort it out as well as it is in his best interests.Can you justify me having to work on my own car, 7 weeks into a 2 week job?
Now peter knew his service was bad in this instance and did what I think was MORE than fair to solve issues, so immediatly dropped the price so fitting was free (he only paid for parts supplied)So you are justifying the weeks of lying? There is no justification for that. The price dropped by £50 can you explain how that equates to all the labour? Although it would back up the comment you made 'why do you think I use peter, he rips himself off so I don't have to spend much, he then offered a free bespoke remap supplied by Chippeduk that he paid for. Amazing right, happy days yes? No...
No, the remap done nothing, chipped uk lied about power, peter was speechless and my car was the same speed as before.
Cals car was not burning fuel properly, it was making power but only in very high revs indicating an ignition fault, my advice to cal was to replace the coil pack, it was 60,000miles old and never replaced... After much complaining of having to replace a consumable part he did so expecting 20bhp more all of a sudden, and didnt get it.
Lets clear things up a bit here. You first insisted it was the HT leads, so I spent money on them for you to dismiss them. Then you insisted for months it was absolutley the coil pack at fault, this was my only problem. It done nothing and you made a laughing stock of yourself on the forums because you were wrong and just denied you were putting it at absolute fault. As for the wanting 20bhp instantly lets clarify - it was supposed to have gained 20bhp from all the work carried out. I didn't just make that figure up
I am not an expert on Cals car, nor am I an expert in any particular field of motoring (just an enthusiast like everyone else) however if an ECU mapping expert tells me my ECU's knackard and it isnt holding the remap in the eprom I wouldn't ignore that advice and say everything anyone has done is ****.
Ok then, what about when he said 'Ok, I've fixed it it will deffinatley hold the remap now. To be honest cristian even you dismissed his reasoning on the second visit as bull****.
So to recap.
Cals car has a problem, not to do with parts supplied, normally a company would supply and fit the part and thats it, Colombo and Barrini make cams and alot of people rate them, yet they themselves make no estimates on power as they also know their part doesnt make the power its all parts and all parts must be working.
But GSR is different, they fitted the parts, I maybe wrong but his induction kit was free (going off something cal said), they dropped the original price, they supplied a free remap (normally £250) and cal has been 3 times to Chippeduk for a remap 3 times.Don't paint him out to be a saint, it was his choice to fit it, not a favour. I was given a remap for free, which done nothing? So I got nothing for nothing? Bargain. Actually I only went twice, but that is 1000 miles wasted for nothing, no closer nothing gained, not a thing.
They couldn't work out the problem at first but the professionals have blamed the ecu, (not an expensive part on the second hand market these days) but he ignores this FREE advice and turns down the offer of Chippeduk to strip and rebuild the engine costing thousands from a company other than GSR to try and solve the problem.No-one appart from you and then andy has blamed the ecu, chipped uk who had it on there desk twice certainly did not say it was at fault. And they are the experts right ;). Why would I let chippeduk take my car for 2 weeks? He has lied to me twice now about power readings then covered it up with excuses he didn't state at the time. Some of which even you said were dodgy. I'm not dropping my car off someone I don't trust for two weeks and not having a car myself. Also thousands to take an engine apart and put it back together with the same parts? get a grip
Cal I am afriad is a young boy who doesn't understand cars as well as he should, you know the type that ask "What would you actually need to run a low boost turbo on a 1.6 engine?" Jan this year.

Come on..."
And I am afraid you are are a rather large boy who also doesn't understand cars aswell as you may thing. You bully people and talk ****e, then throw in some technical talk to confuse them and look good. Peter couldn't tell people quick enough how little you actually knew.
As for asking about what I would need to run the turbo, why not? I have an engine I could do it on with the offer of a free exhaust manifold, turbo and down pipe. Its a car modifying comunity, whats wrong with wanting to learn?

Carry on..
 
Edit: well and the fact that he is willing to take it to bits to show the work done...

Not if he knew Cal wouldn't drop the car off to be stripped down. I can perfectly understand where Cal is coming from. He was told 2 weeks to begin with, this turned in to 10. So if he was to drop the car off again, what's to say it isn't going to be some obscene length of time again.

If I was Cal I would be quite apprehensive about leaving my car with them. After the damage, lying and stealing from before. Can you honestly blame Cal for not wanting to take his car there again?
 
Not if he knew Cal wouldn't drop the car off to be stripped down. I can perfectly understand where Cal is coming from. He was told 2 weeks to begin with, this turned in to 10. So if he was to drop the car off again, what's to say it isn't going to be some obscene length of time again.

If I was Cal I would be quite apprehensive about leaving my car with them. After the damage, lying and stealing from before. Can you honestly blame Cal for not wanting to take his car there again?


If I was cal I would not have stopped phoning the people who had worked on my car until the issue was resolved not go on some forum to moan about them, ah the youth of today!!
 
Not if he knew Cal wouldn't drop the car off to be stripped down. I can perfectly understand where Cal is coming from. He was told 2 weeks to begin with, this turned in to 10. So if he was to drop the car off again, what's to say it isn't going to be some obscene length of time again.

If I was Cal I would be quite apprehensive about leaving my car with them. After the damage, lying and stealing from before. Can you honestly blame Cal for not wanting to take his car there again?


Dont get me wrong, i can see where he's coming from, but as i say im sure pete wants to get this resolved as much as Cal does... not knowing the full story i cant comment fully on the commitment to get it resolved etc but from what i've read he was trying to at least :confused:

And no i cant blame him for not wanting to take his car back, i wouldnt want to if i was in his shoes, but cant see how else the work carried out will be confirmed :(
 
Dont get me wrong, i can see where he's coming from, but as i say im sure pete wants to get this resolved as much as Cal does... not knowing the full story i cant comment fully on the commitment to get it resolved etc but from what i've read he was trying to at least :confused:

And no i cant blame him for not wanting to take his car back, i wouldnt want to if i was in his shoes, but cant see how else the work carried out will be confirmed :(

Cal is stick of the hassle, it's as simple as that.

Peter and ChippedUK are at the other end of the country, hundreds of miles away and going off his past experience with them i don't blame him for not using them.
 
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