GPS 1.4 T-JET or GPS 1.9 M-JET

[punto_matt]

Please show me why parts on an Mjet will last longer than a Tjet? What proof do you have of anything breaking on a Tjet faster than an Mjet to substantiate these claims? None. Its not cheaper to insure, they are both the same insurance group. Tjet was cheaper to insure than an Mjet for me and still is with everything declared. Why did i compare standard to standard? Because its unfair to compare most modified stuff. Of course Diesels are going to get big power gains off just a remap its the characteristics of the engine. Might use slightly less fuel but that fuel in the first place is more expensive to buy. If you do 12k a year or less then the difference between running an Mjet and Tjet is minimal with it probably just swaying in the Tjets favour for being cheaper to run. This is where the Mway bit comes in. If your doing big motorway miles then yes the Mjet is the one to go for as it will **** over a Tjet all day long for MPG stats as this is where it is built to be cruising up and down the motorway compared to a Tjet which is build for blasting about b roads in.

As i said(if you read my post properly) they are 140bhp as standard not the 120bhp fiat quote (graphs to prove aswell). If fiat hadnt fitted such a gay turbo on the Tjet to stop it beating an abarth off just a remap then no contest it would be similar power to the Mjet. You can only guess on it being under powered if you havent driven one. How do you know if or when it is underpowered without driving one? You dont.

 

[x Alex x]

Please show me why parts on an Mjet will last longer than a Tjet? What proof do you have of anything breaking on a Tjet faster than an Mjet to substantiate these claims? None. Its not cheaper to insure, they are both the same insurance group. Tjet was cheaper to insure than an Mjet for me and still is with everything declared. Why did i compare standard to standard? Because its unfair to compare most modified stuff. Of course Diesels are going to get big power gains off just a remap its the characteristics of the engine. Might use slightly less fuel but that fuel in the first place is more expensive to buy. If you do 12k a year or less then the difference between running an Mjet and Tjet is minimal with it probably just swaying in the Tjets favour for being cheaper to run. This is where the Mway bit comes in. If your doing big motorway miles then yes the Mjet is the one to go for as it will **** over a Tjet all day long for MPG stats as this is where it is built to be cruising up and down the motorway compared to a Tjet which is build for blasting about b roads in.

As i said(if you read my post properly) they are 140bhp as standard not the 120bhp fiat quote (graphs to prove aswell). If fiat hadnt fitted such a gay turbo on the Tjet to stop it beating an abarth off just a remap then no contest it would be similar power to the Mjet. You can only guess on it being under powered if you havent driven one. How do you know if or when it is underpowered without driving one? You dont.

i never said anything would break quicker.

things on petrol cars wear out quicker, such as clutches, so i couldn't compare the power of the cars as standard but you compared the clutch on a remapped mjet?

i thought it was common knowledge insurance groups don't make much difference, cars of the same group can totally vary on cost, insurance groups are a poor way of telling.

and i can say it's underpowered because 120bhp on paper out of a 1.4 new turbo is pathetic, but obviously 10 more bhp than an old punto gt turbo is great if it's true what you say about the 140bhp.. not

take a look at the pole

 

[punto_matt]

You said stuff lasts longer which is hinting at the fact stuff will break faster on Tjets is it not?

When did i say you couldnt compare the power of the cars as standard? I didnt compare the clutch on a Tuned Mjet to anything. I just said if you are putting 200odd bhp through it its not gonna last too long when its built for 130bhp.

If its common knowledge insurance groups dont make much difference then how can you say the Mjet is cheaper to insure?

The Tjet isnt underpowered and it appears so on paper to be that because if they gave it the 150+ it is easily capable of then they would be shooting themselfs in the foot with them releasing the abarth would they not? Abarth SS is 180bhp, There is a tuned Tjet running 260 bhp on a rolling road on youtube. 200bhp is easily achiveable with new turbo, fmic and exhaust.

What would you class as a good output then for a standard Tjet with you thinking its underpowered even though you have never driven one?

 

[x Alex x]

You said stuff lasts longer which is hinting at the fact stuff will break faster on Tjets is it not?

When did i say you couldnt compare the power of the cars as standard? I didnt compare the clutch on a Tuned Mjet to anything. I just said if you are putting 200odd bhp through it its not gonna last too long when its built for 130bhp.

If its common knowledge insurance groups dont make much difference then how can you say the Mjet is cheaper to insure?

The Tjet isnt underpowered and it appears so on paper to be that because if they gave it the 150+ it is easily capable of then they would be shooting themselfs in the foot with them releasing the abarth would they not? Abarth SS is 180bhp, There is a tuned Tjet running 260 bhp on a rolling road on youtube. 200bhp is easily achiveable with new turbo, fmic and exhaust.

What would you class as a good output then for a standard Tjet with you thinking its underpowered even though you have never driven one?

no it isn't hinting at anything, things don't have to break, things wear out!

don't know why you think i have to drive a car to say weather it's underpowered, 120bhp sounds sh!t and underpowered but whatever.

all im saying is i'd have the m-jet, simply because its better on fuel, cheaper to insure (i got quotes when i nearly bought an m-jet out of curiosity, how else would i know :rolleye) more power and torque, only a remap is needed to get great power, no new turbos etc.

you just said a remapped m-jet "wont last long if its built for 130bhp" how long will it last? proof?

are t-jets including in this rule?

 

[punto_matt]

Might sound **** but 130bhp from a 1.9 diesel sounds **** aswell. You havent said what you would consider a figure that would make a Tjet appear to not be underpowered? Also did you get quotes on a Tjet then to compare to the Mjet? I got quotes on both as ive said and it was cheaper to insure the Tjet as i have said.

I dont know how long it will last how is it possible for me to say that? It isnt, it will vary with either car. You seem to be the one that likes saying stuff will wear out on a Tjet faster with no proof to that? But sticking through 200bhp and 260odd lb ft of torque on a standard clutch and box in an Mjet has the potential to wear it out a hell of alot faster than if it was standard.

 

[x Alex x]

Might sound **** but 130bhp from a 1.9 diesel sounds **** aswell. You havent said what you would consider a figure that would make a Tjet appear to not be underpowered? Also did you get quotes on a Tjet then to compare to the Mjet? I got quotes on both as ive said and it was cheaper to insure the Tjet as i have said.

I dont know how long it will last how is it possible for me to say that? It isnt, it will vary with either car. You seem to be the one that likes saying stuff will wear out on a Tjet faster with no proof to that? But sticking through 200bhp and 260odd lb ft of torque on a standard clutch and box in an Mjet has the potential to wear it out a hell of alot faster than if it was standard.

130bhp from a 1.9 diesel is perfectly acceptable, most 1.9tdis are infact 130bhp.

its just you said the mjet wont last long but putting loads of power onto a tjet wasnt mentioned.

i never said things would wear out just on a tjet, diesels compared to petrols generally last longer.

 

[punto_matt]

Im not putting loads of power onto a Tjet though am i as you keep saying its underpowered. Yes obviously clutch will wear out a bit quicker with the extra torque as that goes without saying. You keeps saying stuff lasts longer on a Mjet how is that not saying stuff wears out faster on Tjets when that is what this thread is comparing?

I cant be bothered to search for 1.9 TDI power figures so i will take that back.

But are you ever gonna answer how much power you deem a Tjet needs to have before it is no longer classed as under powered?

And did you also get quotes on Tjets when you got quotes on Mjets as you have only said the Mjet was cheaper to insure but you didnt say against what.

 

[Ffoxy]

Take a chill pill guys it just doesnt matter....

Horses for courses and you pays your money and makes your choices...

My MJet was making 144 bhp pre re-map, I get 51mpg around town, 56 mpg on a M/way at 70 mph, confirmed by the calculated / fuel used method, computer says 53mpg around town and 64 mpg on the M/way.

Clutches only wear out faster when you slip them a lot.

Gearboxes and transmissions fail if they are abused.

Brakes need upgrading if you use or abuse performance.

The above are facts, TJet or MJet it makes no difference other than the MJet is heavier, which may have extra costs hidden away.

End of...

 

[x Alex x]

Take a chill pill guys it just doesnt matter....

Horses for courses and you pays your money and makes your choices...

My MJet was making 144 bhp pre re-map, I get 51mpg around town, 56 mpg on a M/way at 70 mph, confirmed by the calculated / fuel used method, computer says 53mpg around town and 64 mpg on the M/way.

Clutches only wear out faster when you slip them a lot.

Gearboxes and transmissions fail if they are abused.

Brakes need upgrading if you use or abuse performance.

The above are facts, TJet or MJet it makes no difference other than the MJet is heavier, which may have extra costs hidden away.

End of...

thanks

144bhp you say?

who did you get to map yours? all the ones i've looked at say they can get around 175bhp

 

[Ffoxy]

thanks

144bhp you say?

who did you get to map yours? all the ones i've looked at say they can get around 175bhp

Red Dot Alex of course I guess the li'l bit more comes from the fact my motor is well run in and produced 10 horses more as standard

 

[x Alex x]

Red Dot Alex of course I guess the li'l bit more comes from the fact my motor is well run in and produced 10 horses more as standard

yeah, if i got a new one i'd rack up 5k before a remap, i was so close to buying a new one last year but soon as i mentioned the remap he said the warranty is useless, i didn't know how likely they were on finding it out so i backed out.

soon as i can get one for £5-6k i'll have one

 

[Ffoxy]

yeah, if i got a new one i'd rack up 5k before a remap, i was so close to buying a new one last year but soon as i mentioned the remap he said the warranty is useless, i didn't know how likely they were on finding it out so i backed out.

soon as i can get one for £5-6k i'll have one

Had very few niggles with mine and none in the last 12 months or so to speak of. 36,000 miles now and still no rattles or anything.

Dead pleased, if not for the current Credit sh*te I'd have another in March.

 

[x Alex x]

Had very few niggles with mine and none in the last 12 months or so to speak of. 36,000 miles now and still no rattles or anything.

Dead pleased, if not for the current Credit sh*te I'd have another in March.

let me know if you're selling up!

 

[Ffoxy]

This Thread sucks lol....

 

[clawliger]

totally agree ffoxy.

fed up of all the high and mighty mjet and t-jet owners.

i own a t-jet and i never try and push my beleifes onto any mjet owner. pisses me off. im all for sticking up for your own car (i.e punto_matt who speaks truthfully)

but all it ever ends with is an mjet can be mapped to near 200bhp and a t-jet cant. . but then technically it isnt an mjet anymore is it. its a tuned mjet. cant compare a tuned mjet to a standard tjet. no comparison there isit. which is where alot of mjet owners faulter.

 

[OCZedd]

I havent read the whole thread, but I think matt is right that the MJet is for yearly long miles (12k+) and on the motorway as a cruiser to get better mpg. TJet for smaller roads, less miles and better on the twisty bits due to the weight AND its cheaper to buy AND its cheaper to insure over an MJet (as matt said).

One thing that got me though is Alex was saying 120 break from a 1.4 Turbo isn't very good but 130 break from a 1.9 turbo is? That 500cc more for 10 bhp.

And matt said he was 140 bhp (I think 130-135hp avg. mind) from the factory as Fiat lied about some of the specs here and there. But bhp isn't even everything, you got to think about the power band and noise, tractor or thrashy (compromising here).

Well thats just my $0.02

 

[x Alex x]

I havent read the whole thread, but I think matt is right that the MJet is for yearly long miles (12k+) and on the motorway as a cruiser to get better mpg. TJet for smaller roads, less miles and better on the twisty bits due to the weight AND its cheaper to buy AND its cheaper to insure over an MJet (as matt said).

One thing that got me though is Alex was saying 120 break from a 1.4 Turbo isn't very good but 130 break from a 1.9 turbo is? That 500cc more for 10 bhp.

And matt said he was 140 bhp (I think 130-135hp avg. mind) from the factory as Fiat lied about some of the specs here and there. But bhp isn't even everything, you got to think about the power band and noise, tractor or thrashy (compromising here).

Well thats just my $0.02

500cc for 10bhp? difference is its a diesel.

plus most mjets come out of the factory 140 plus bhp

 

[punto_matt]

Ffoxy is one of the few that has come out at 140bhp as standard. Majority are around 130-135bhp.

You still havent said what is enough bhp for a Tjet to make it not be underpowered

 

[x Alex x]

Ffoxy is one of the few that has come out at 140bhp as standard. Majority are around 130-135bhp.

You still havent said what is enough bhp for a Tjet to make it not be underpowered

right lol.

i'd say about 150-160bhp standard plus remapable potentiol on top.

the reason i think it would be underpowerd is i drove a 8v active gp for a couple of days and it had 5bhp more than my car and was very noticeably slower.

as it has 10 less than a standard mk1 punto gt turbo, to me, it sounds underpowered.

if you can't get that then i really do give up

 

[clawliger]

right lol.

i'd say about 150-160bhp standard plus remapable potentiol on top.

the reason i think it would be underpowerd is i drove a 8v active gp for a couple of days and it had 5bhp more than my car and was very noticeably slower.

as it has 10 less than a standard mk1 punto gt turbo, to me, it sounds underpowered.

if you can't get that then i really do give up

you do not know anything about cars.

your comparing a 1.2 8v from a mk2 punto i take it? to a GP. GP is much much heavier by around 150kg+.

and then your adding that you havnt even drivin a tjet.

ill let you into a little secret. a diesel engine is much heavier than a petrol engine. and it derives its power differently than a petrol engine also.

learn a thing or two about car then you can come backa nd play with the big boys.

www.howstuffworks.com will help you.