hello people i have fiat punto 2001 and my problem is that my front lights (low light not the high light) are too weak i putted xenon lights but nothing changed they was better but still weak ! i cleaned them i tried everything but same problem I can not see well in the dark a lot of people told me that fiat front light(low light not the high light) are magnify so is there any way to make the light stronger ??
Technical front light problem
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Hi, Were they Proper Xenon (Burner, Ballast and wires) or just the xenon lookalike bulbs (good guide is, how much did they cost)? Try having the headlights aligned (by a garage, most MOT stations will do it for very little or free), and check that the bulbs are correctly seated in the holders. How scratched are your headlamp covers? (the clear bit on the outside)
Hope that is a little bit of help
Hope that is a little bit of help
Try running a jump lead to touch the earth on the light cluster with other end on another earth point - gearbox. If light output is improved youll need to clean up the earths within the light unit.
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along with the Earth test
Stick a volt meter on Plug for the Dipped Lights and see what voltage you are getting
Anything less than 12 = a problem
12 to 13 would be good
Also Xenon Look lights dont work well
Stick proper Bulbs in
Also
The Sidelights are Tiny Little bulbs = Little light
But the Dipped Beam Lights are Fairly Clear and bright on most i see
Full Beam is Blinding full stop
Ziggy
Stick a volt meter on Plug for the Dipped Lights and see what voltage you are getting
Anything less than 12 = a problem
12 to 13 would be good
Also Xenon Look lights dont work well
Stick proper Bulbs in
Also
The Sidelights are Tiny Little bulbs = Little light
But the Dipped Beam Lights are Fairly Clear and bright on most i see
Full Beam is Blinding full stop
Ziggy
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buy some osram night breaker bulbs and as said confirm you have a good earth as they are made of cheese in these light units and build up a high resistance on the spades
make sure bulbs are osram and not copies made of bamboo too
make sure bulbs are osram and not copies made of bamboo too
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Hi there Folks,
I have the same issue with my '03 Punto. Headlamp covers are clean (been waxed), bulbs are seated correctly, headlight is aligned properly, lens of the projector has already been cleaned and the light output is still weak. :-(
I've fitted a proper HID kit (not the cheap lookalike bulbs) last week, but no luck, the improvement is less than 10%. Here, take a look:
Near side is standard halogen, off side is HID 4300K 35W.
Nevertheless, the front fogs are bright and shiny............
What on earth might be the problem? Insufficient grounding?
I have the same issue with my '03 Punto. Headlamp covers are clean (been waxed), bulbs are seated correctly, headlight is aligned properly, lens of the projector has already been cleaned and the light output is still weak. :-(
I've fitted a proper HID kit (not the cheap lookalike bulbs) last week, but no luck, the improvement is less than 10%. Here, take a look:
Near side is standard halogen, off side is HID 4300K 35W.
Nevertheless, the front fogs are bright and shiny............
What on earth might be the problem? Insufficient grounding?
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Dirty contact at the connector, or poor earth, methinks. Sometimes the connectors overheat and turn to a substance like coal! At that point, get replacements (cheap on eBay).
Silicone grease applied in time prevents the problem happening.
Silicone grease applied in time prevents the problem happening.
That looks pretty good for mk2 lights to be honest!! They are not the best when they are working correctly! Doesn't look like there's a problem to me!
Alan
Alan
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Trust me, something is not right with them. Even with HID the light output is noticeably weaker, then any other cars standard halogen's.
Just took a ride an hour ago and compared with other vehicle's beam pattern on the road. They are much more brighter.
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Oh, I see what You mean! They look bright enough on the white wall, no doubt about it.
However, take a look at the grey concrete......
On the black/grey asphalt they are even worse. Like the dipped beam is turned off......
I agree with that, but have you compared them with another mk2? There's lots of threads on here about the poor light from the mk2 headlights. Fiat ditched the projector style lights on the mk2 when they created the mk2b.
I don't think it's an electrical fault as if you had a dodgey earth, it wouldn't effect the HIDs in the same way as a normal bulb (dimness) due to the HiDs ballasts. You say the lenses are clean?
They don't look like they are adjusted too badly. Are they standard oem light units? Or aftermarket with "angel eyes" etc?
Have you tried adjusting them down more as they look slightly high. That may spread more light directly in front of you.
Alan
I don't think it's an electrical fault as if you had a dodgey earth, it wouldn't effect the HIDs in the same way as a normal bulb (dimness) due to the HiDs ballasts. You say the lenses are clean?
They don't look like they are adjusted too badly. Are they standard oem light units? Or aftermarket with "angel eyes" etc?
Have you tried adjusting them down more as they look slightly high. That may spread more light directly in front of you.
Alan
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Yepp, did it myself.
Factory ones.
Yes indeed. Adjusted them to 3rd (lowest) but nothing has changed.
Might find another mk2 for comparing, maybe it is the way they are?
My Mk2 Panda lights are better than my Punto's, to be honest... -- and they've both got the same make and type of bulb in....
ive yet to complain about my headlights, but they're not that half bad as ive seen on some cars! but then these little things amuse me, especially the other day, saw a fiesta mk6 (newish shape) person their brake lights on and it was full on disco
that aside, ive seen some headlights on cars that are so dull you can think, has he/she got their headlights on or side lights on
that aside, ive seen some headlights on cars that are so dull you can think, has he/she got their headlights on or side lights on
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The light pattern for us UK people is like this
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So we shine out lights to the left
your a RHD, so you lights are like this
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However yours look like this to me
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The Driver side light - to you
the passenger to us UK people looks like its not shining up at all
A is the bulb seated correctly?
What voltage are you getting at the Connector of the Standard bulb - NOT the HID kits
Ziggy
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So we shine out lights to the left
your a RHD, so you lights are like this
_/_/
However yours look like this to me
__/
The Driver side light - to you
the passenger to us UK people looks like its not shining up at all
A is the bulb seated correctly?
What voltage are you getting at the Connector of the Standard bulb - NOT the HID kits
Ziggy
You can just about see the kick on the offside headlight. It has to be within 2% of the centre line. Obviously the distance away from the wall will effect how close the offside break point is to the centre line. The further away you are the further apart they will get.
As ziggy says check your bulb is seated correctly (there is a lug at the bottom which people sometimes don't line up and as a result the bulb sits slightly off centre)
Also check that BOTH of your electronic beam adjusters are working. The level "looks" about right considering you have it set on 3, so they should be pointing down slightly more than normal.
I would DEFINATELY check out some other mk2s though before you spend much money or time, as to be honest, even if you do have a fault, fixing it won't make it MUCH brighter than they already are, as previously stated, mk2 headlight are well known for their poor light output!
There isn't MUCH difference between your HID near side light and standard off side light, which leads me to believe you don't have a connection or earthing issue.
Of course camera settings etc can also effect the impression the photo you have posted is giving. It can make it darker/brighter than it really is.
Also if you do check your voltages as ziggy suggested, make sure you only test it on the standard bulb, or BEFORE the ballast on the HID side, as after the ballast there will be HIGH VOLTAGE! Which could give you a nasty shock.
Alan
As ziggy says check your bulb is seated correctly (there is a lug at the bottom which people sometimes don't line up and as a result the bulb sits slightly off centre)
Also check that BOTH of your electronic beam adjusters are working. The level "looks" about right considering you have it set on 3, so they should be pointing down slightly more than normal.
I would DEFINATELY check out some other mk2s though before you spend much money or time, as to be honest, even if you do have a fault, fixing it won't make it MUCH brighter than they already are, as previously stated, mk2 headlight are well known for their poor light output!
There isn't MUCH difference between your HID near side light and standard off side light, which leads me to believe you don't have a connection or earthing issue.
Of course camera settings etc can also effect the impression the photo you have posted is giving. It can make it darker/brighter than it really is.
Also if you do check your voltages as ziggy suggested, make sure you only test it on the standard bulb, or BEFORE the ballast on the HID side, as after the ballast there will be HIGH VOLTAGE! Which could give you a nasty shock.
Alan
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Beam pattern looks correct for a LHD vehicle Ziggy.
OP, I have to agree, I can't see what your issue with the brightness is. Seems absoloutly fine to me. They're not supposed to be flood lights, thats what your main beam is for when you're on country back roads etc
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They are definitely seated right. I lined them up the day I've bought the car cause they were not seated correctly before. I know how they work when they are misseated. I can assure that is not the case now.
Did that too on the first day, took them out, tested on the dask and in the headlight as well. Works fine, both of them.
That's what I will do. I've already compared it with my '00 Mk2 Mondeo and comparing to that it looks like the Punto is only burning some candles in the headlight....
That's what bothers me the most. The standard halogen should produce about 1200-1300 lumen. The HID is about 2800-3000 lumen. In reality, the output looks like 800 lumen (halogen) and 1000 lumen (HID).
Interesting fact, that on the wall, they look like this in 1m distance. Seems like the HID produces a lot wider pattern with more lumens and brightness. But from a 15m distance, the advantage of the HID reduces to minimal. That's what I don't get. Should it be like this?
And last but not at least, why the standard halogen fogs are brighter than the HID dipped beam? Maybe I should try a 55W HID instead of 35W?
Thanks Mates for the replies. :worship:
So, I'll check the earthings, compare with another Punto and if no luck I should accept the fact, that that's the way they are.
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