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With all the talk about Nige's exploits on the JTD recently, what are the differences between the 1.9 in each model?

Punto - 80 bhp
Bravo - 105
Stilo - 115
Mulitpla - 110 ...

Nige has his Punto up to 125 bhp, but a Mulitpla has gone upto 155 .... size of the turbo?
 
I was told that you can get a standard stilo ecu remaped and get it up to 140bhp no probs. But it could be a load of crap.
 
Its not crap my dear chap - we can go a lot higher but you need to start uprating everything else as well - which of course we can supply if requested.

The main difference is indeed the turbo and the manifold. The rest is fairly common.

The 155 Multipla is the same as the Bravo/a JTD and the Marea. The Punto is the baby, but then again its power to weight ratio is stunning. My intention is to strap a bigger turbo on at some stage, I have only just started on this car and want to get everything else on it up to spec beforehand.

If anyone wants a demo in a diesel - just call us :)
Nige
I really must go and do some work now!
 
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All play and no work makes you short fat and la.z.......ah!
;)

Nige
 
So if there was a three door 80jtd stilo or maybe there is, would you recon that it could be put up to 115bhp or more without changing any parts.
 
No becuase the Stilo starts at 110/5 I think. Only the Punto in the UK had the 80 JTD engine, which is what we have as a demo / hack etc. The Stilo 1.9 has a bigger turbo on it and will acheive far greater results than the Punto, easily 160+BHP. We have recently done a Multipla, which is the same engine from 105 to 154 BHP, however becasue of the weight and dynamics of the vehicle we have experienced slight clutch slip in 4th if the throttle is buried at peak torque - which isn't realy surprising!

The clutch in the Punto and Bravo/a and indeed Stilo/Multipla is the 230mm Ducato one and more than up to the job :) unless its been ridded all its life and moved off from standstill at 4000rpm in 3rd.
 
Stilo

Sorry to sound like an annorak, but they have released a diesel Stilo 80. ;)
 
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Have they! I am Fiat later this afternoon, I will pick up a new set of brochures. I must admit it isnt one that has caught my eye and no one has ever asked me about tuning one before!

I will assume it is the same as the Punto lump then which really then depends on how much money you want to spend on one! For £300 we can take you to around 120BHP and mountains of torque. It wont be quite as quick as our Punto but it will still go bloody well!

Nige
 
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According to the Fiat website, there is indeed a Stilo 80 JTD, it's only in 5 door, not 3dr.
 
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.....and I forgot to pick the brochures up!

N
 
Tuning a JTD

Nige
I assume that by 'we can do that' that you have a tuning company. £300 seems a lot. What do you do for the money?

One way to get more power from a Gen 1, and possibly gen 2 bosch HPCR setup (EDC15/16) (maybe problems with the Pump throttle (MPROP) on 16...?) would be to add some resistance into the HP rail pressure signal, and slug the signal to the turbo, so that you run higher rail pressure (therefore more fuel as you frig the ECU calcualtion for injection duration by uping the pressure. Same duration - higher pressure = more fuel), and you run higher boost, so more air + more fuel = more power.
My guess it you use some variable resistors and then 'tune' them on the road until you get excessive smoke, then back off a little.

What do you do with the EGR? my guess is you will leave well alone, but this may risk EGR valve failure as it may now be open at higher exhaust temps, therefore my fail, as they are a little sensitive to this.

So my question is, is this how you are tuning the JTD? This would be my best guess, but I'd love to know exactly how the professionals are tuning these cars with the 'black boxes' you see advertised.

If so, what testing do you do afterwards? What peak cylinder pressures are you reaching? what exhaust temps are you recording? To me there would be too much expense involved in doing these tests, so how do you judge whether you have gone a step too far?

How do you know the torque limit for gearbox durability? This is often a limiting factor with diesels. How do you check Turbo speed? what about overspeed proteciton if you increase altitude?

If you can't answer these questions, then £300 is a bit much for a few resistors and few minutes installation time, considering the risks you would be taking with this cowboy approach. This is ok for a racing application, but for real world durability, especially for those who regularly run full load, this is a little dangerous.

Not to mention the emissions performance - not very enviromentally friendly....

Of course I apologise if you have used a more thorough method to develop your tuning system, and then I take back the 'cowboy' comment.
 
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Indeed read the website - you are so far off the mark I really cant even find a starting point!

OBD Engine Mapping i.e. modern engine tuning, nothing to do with resistors, piggyback units etc.

:)
Nige
 

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