Technical Fiat Ducato -12, 2.3 jtd does not start, cranks ok, no connection to ECU, BCM, etc.

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Technical Fiat Ducato -12, 2.3 jtd does not start, cranks ok, no connection to ECU, BCM, etc.

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Hi, I've been working on Ducato for a while now.
The van is -12, 2.3 diesel, it also has ABS which includes ASR, TCS, Hill Holder and ESP. This is an individual whose repair history is unclear.
The engine does not start, the engine cranks well (new battery), a lot of error lights in the dashboard. The immobilizer light is continuously ON, ABS, EPS and ESR are not available. Basically everything else works, lights, etc.
I get the engine running when I force relay T09 on with the toothpick, its control should come from the ECU connector B72 (ground). The car can be driven but since the OBD does not work it is not worth of going to MOT.
The biggest problem is that I can't connect to any contoller, I've tried with a few OBD readers and software, including Multiecuscan and AlfaOBD. Everyone has the same answer, no contact to ECU...
I have also taken the ECU and BCM to the table and tried to read them one by one, I got into the ECU with some program and got to read the errors and manage it anyway. The only error was an EGR error.
The eLearn X250 includes excellent electrical images and explanations, and the images and wiring harnesses match. The groundings I have checked, all the fuses and relays have also been through. I have opened those wiring harnesses, e.g. gone through both CAN buses and so far I haven't found any anomalies. I also checked the C-CAN (high speed) bus termination at 60 ohms, the terminators appear to be in the BCM and ECU. However I can not find terminators for the B-CAN (low speed), I assume it is Star-Can located in the BCM?

As long as the spring sun warms up a bit, I will continue to comb the wiring harnesses.
Would there be any tips / experiences to help me?
Has anyone successfully tested the ECU / BCM or ABS on the table?

ECU: Bosch, EDC16C39, 0281014209, 51799349, D23 41U61 L09
BCM: Marelli, NPL 250C.00, 503440280105

Kind Regards, Matti
 
Hello
Sounds fun!
Do you have an oscilloscope? If so check the wiring on the OBD port to see if there is data on the CAN high/low pins. It may be as simple as your adapter being faulty (unlikely) or the OBD being disabled/rewired for security, or power/fuse failed to the OBD port.
A scan should be able to detect modules even if one or two have failed.
However if your only error was an EGR error, it sounds like everything is OK - otherwise the ECU would be reporting CAN communication errors and module communication errors everywhere.

It could also be a simple wire issue at the OBD port.

If you have a scope it'd be "easy" to see data at the OBD port, check its on the right pins, and also check at the ECU to see if you get same/similar.

I am *not* an expert, but have been addicted to Diagnostic Dan on youtube :D But I would say, from your symptoms, ECU faults do not seem to be the cause. TOTALLY NOT YOUR SOLUTION - but, for example, .....

Good luck!

You may want to join their FB group? https://www.facebook.com/groups/821695321597245
 
Hi BurntMarmite, thanks for Your contact. Unfortunately I don't have scope, I sold it years ago (with the idea "I don't need that I have only quality cars").
Today the sun was shining, +4 Celsius, and I took a look for cabling, it looks that I have CAN-High wires (both) broken between ABS and BCM. OBD is located in BCM and also terminated there. Tomorrow I'll make sure that wire are broken and try to feed recovery twisted pair there..
 
Hi BurntMarmite, thanks for Your contact. Unfortunately I don't have scope, I sold it years ago (with the idea "I don't need that I have only quality cars").
Today the sun was shining, +4 Celsius, and I took a look for cabling, it looks that I have CAN-High wires (both) broken between ABS and BCM. OBD is located in BCM and also terminated there. Tomorrow I'll make sure that wire are broken and try to feed recovery twisted pair there..
Sounds promising!
 
Some update, I have looked over the loom from BCM to ECU / ABS and so far found that ECU connector (94 pins) have some pins corroded and broken inside the connector. Also I have noticed that Hi-Can connectors have loose contacts in the BCM and Steering Sensor, so trying to repair those looks hard to get it reliable.
Now I search whole cable loom from the local scrap yards, also I try to get new ECU, BCM and keys from the same vehicle. It may cost a bit but it gives a chance to get car running.
 
Hi I am having the same problem did you fix this in the end
Some update, I have looked over the loom from BCM to ECU / ABS and so far found that ECU connector (94 pins) have some pins corroded and broken inside the connector. Also I have noticed that Hi-Can connectors have loose contacts in the BCM and Steering Sensor, so trying to repair those looks hard to get it reliable.
Now I search whole cable loom from the local scrap yards, also I try to get new ECU, BCM and keys from the same vehicle. It may cost a bit but it gives a chance to get car running.
I am having the same problem. Did you fix this
 
Hi I am having the same problem did you fix this in the end

I am having the same problem. Did you fix this
Hi Dan, Yes I have fixed that problem. The main problem for me was that I had several bad Elm-cables and I did not get any connection to any moduls. Finally I had to believe that the connection problem must be my test cables and I luckily could buy one olde tested cable and after that I could see the modules.
The problem not to start was the connector on engine ECU: Bosch, EDC16C39. There were several wires rusted broken inside the connector
 
Dan, root cause was pin 72 from 94 pin connector, it is mandatory to get main relay on. Alson pins 83 and 84 were broken and the CAN was not working so it could not see ABS etc. I opened the connector and looked pin / pin and found 5 rusted pins / wires on that connector. I was lucky to buy new connectors from ebay having 6 inches wire on many pins. It took a while to solder wires but finally i got it done and motor started. That happened a while before I got working test cable and could test and fix several other failures in Ducato. Now I'm almost ready to go MOT.
 
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