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Occasionally when i'm driving my 500X it throws an error at me, it will stay around for a couple of hours and then it'll go away. The warning message i always seem to get is "check electronic parking brake" and the engine management light on the dash is illuminated. As its not a major problem, i've left it while i fixed other cars, but now i've just been out and got the error codes using MES.

Anyone know what these codes are, and what might be going on?


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1. P0807 – Clutch Position Sensor “Low Input”
This means the ECU is seeing too low a voltage from the clutch pedal position sensor.
Typical causes:
Faulty clutch position sensor on the pedal
Bad adjustment/worn pedal switch
Broken wire or poor connector at the pedal
Low system voltage at the moment the fault occurs.

Symptoms it can cause:
Start/stop disabled
Hill holder/EPB warnings
Gear change logic issues (on some versions)

This sensor is used by:
Start authorization
Start/Stop
Electronic Parking Brake logic
So if it glitches, you can get “Check electronic parking brake” even if the EPB itself is fine.

2. P065A – Intelligent Alternator (IAM) Performance
This is very important. It means the ECU is not happy with the smart alternator control on these:
LIN communication problem between ECU and alternator
Alternator not regulating voltage correctly
Battery voltage going out of expected range
Wiring issue on alternator control line.

When this happens, the car can have:
Voltage drops or spikes
Temporary under-voltage
And that directly explains why:
Clutch sensor shows “low input”
EPB throws a warning
Engine management light comes on
Then everything disappears after a while.
Because once voltage returns to normal, the errors clear.
 
I can't find anything in MES about battery learning, is the car self learning?

I did find adjustments for clutch position learning, but its probably not that, is it worth trying anyway?

Also found a reset for the intelligent alternator.

Seems this model self calibrates new batteries, i can go and check in the car tomorrow i guess, it may give different results from simulate mode.

It also appears that for both of these error codes that the Dashboard warning Light was not illuminated. But i definitely had the EML. So maybe its neither of these and the error wasn't recorded, is that even possible?
 
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The presence of P065A + P0807 together, plus intermittent EPB, EML, glow plug warning and past stalling, points strongly to an intermittent charging/ground/intelligent alternator control fault - not a clutch sensor or glow plug issue.
Battery replacement reset may not exist on this model, but the Intelligent Alternator Reset in MES is relevant and should be run.
If charging voltage is unstable or P065A returns, the alternator regulator or its LIN control wiring is the root cause.
 
We already suspected charging system instability back in the stalling/no-start case.
Now with a new battery fitted and P065A + P0807 present, this confirms an intermittent intelligent alternator/ground/LIN control fault on a 1.6 Multijet 500X.
The clutch sensor and glow plug warnings are secondary effects of voltage dips.
The correct next step is IAM reset, voltage testing, ground inspection, and if P065A returns, alternator regulator replacement.
 
I did find an adjustment for intelligent alternator reset (IAM) in MES, so that shouldn't be too difficult, i'll do that, can't hurt! It occurs to me that although there is no battery reset in MES, that doesnt mean the alternator knows there is a new battery, so fingers crossed for the IAM reset.

What is the alternator regulator?

I had a look on youtube and can see its not too hard to change the alternator, the price for a new one is quite steep at £150+.

I have a voltmeter, and also a piece of kit that is supposed to test alternators, as the problem is intermittent, it might be difficult to pin down the cause.
 
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“What is the alternator regulator?”
On modern Fiat diesels it’s not a simple old-style regulator anymore.
Your 500X uses an intelligent alternator regulator that’s LIN-controlled by the ECU. Instead of charging constantly, the ECU tells it when and how hard to charge (for emissions, Start/Stop and fuel economy reasons).
In practice, this system causes far more trouble than it saves - and when it starts failing intermittently, you get exactly the kind of random electrical faults you’re seeing now.
The regulator itself is often a separate part bolted to the alternator, not the whole alternator.
So don’t rush into buying a full alternator yet - very often it’s just the smart regulator module or its LIN control circuit that fails. On these cars, intermittent IAM faults (P065A), voltage dips, random EPB/glow plug/clutch sensor faults are classic symptoms of a regulator or control-line problem.
Running the IAM reset in MES is absolutely the right first step. If it improves things temporarily, that strongly points to a failing intelligent regulator. Because your problem is intermittent, a bench alternator tester may not catch it. The best real-world test is to monitor voltage under load, watch commanded vs actual alternator voltage in MES and see if P065A returns. If it does, the regulator or its LIN wiring is the root cause, not the clutch sensor, glow plug, or battery.
 
“What is the alternator regulator?”
On modern Fiat diesels it’s not a simple old-style regulator anymore.
Your 500X uses an intelligent alternator regulator that’s LIN-controlled by the ECU. Instead of charging constantly, the ECU tells it when and how hard to charge (for emissions, Start/Stop and fuel economy reasons).
In practice, this system causes far more trouble than it saves - and when it starts failing intermittently, you get exactly the kind of random electrical faults you’re seeing now.
The regulator itself is often a separate part bolted to the alternator, not the whole alternator.
So don’t rush into buying a full alternator yet - very often it’s just the smart regulator module or its LIN control circuit that fails. On these cars, intermittent IAM faults (P065A), voltage dips, random EPB/glow plug/clutch sensor faults are classic symptoms of a regulator or control-line problem.
Running the IAM reset in MES is absolutely the right first step. If it improves things temporarily, that strongly points to a failing intelligent regulator. Because your problem is intermittent, a bench alternator tester may not catch it. The best real-world test is to monitor voltage under load, watch commanded vs actual alternator voltage in MES and see if P065A returns. If it does, the regulator or its LIN wiring is the root cause, not the clutch sensor, glow plug, or battery.
Righto, this all sounds sensible, i will reset the IAM tomorrow and research the regulator, how much they are, where they are located etc.
 
About the glow plug
I’d honestly hold off on fitting it for now. On these Fiat diesels, low system voltage or charging instability can easily trigger a “check glow plug” message even when the plugs are actually fine. Given you’ve got P065A (intelligent alternator performance), random EPB/EML warnings and a history of stalling, the glow plug fault is much more likely a secondary effect of voltage dips. I’d run the IAM reset first (which you said will do) and check charging voltage properly. If the glow plug fault comes back after the charging system is proven stable, then it’s worth replacing the plug. Otherwise you risk fixing a symptom, not the root cause.
 
Theres no hurry to change the glow plug so i'll wait. The new plug won't arrive for a few days anyway.

I am suspicious about it though, i get the warning before the engine is started. I also wonder why it is only glow plug 1 that is always reported in the codes, the other glow plugs don't get flagged as faulty.
 
That actually supports the voltage/IAM theory even more.
On these Fiat diesels the glow plugs are tested and powered during pre-glow, before cranking. If system voltage is low or unstable at that moment, the glow module can’t drive the plugs correctly and the ECU logs a glow plug fault. So getting the warning before the engine is started fits perfectly with a charging/voltage problem, not a genuinely bad glow plug.
The fact it’s always glow plug 1 is also typical of voltage issues. The ECU flags the first channel that falls out of spec when voltage dips, even though the plugs themselves are fine. I’d definitely run the IAM reset and check charging voltage properly before replacing any glow plugs. If the glow plug fault still comes back after the charging system is proven stable, then it makes sense to change the plug.
 
That actually supports the voltage/IAM theory even more.
On these Fiat diesels the glow plugs are tested and powered during pre-glow, before cranking. If system voltage is low or unstable at that moment, the glow module can’t drive the plugs correctly and the ECU logs a glow plug fault. So getting the warning before the engine is started fits perfectly with a charging/voltage problem, not a genuinely bad glow plug.
The fact it’s always glow plug 1 is also typical of voltage issues. The ECU flags the first channel that falls out of spec when voltage dips, even though the plugs themselves are fine. I’d definitely run the IAM reset and check charging voltage properly before replacing any glow plugs. If the glow plug fault still comes back after the charging system is proven stable, then it makes sense to change the plug.
That makes sense. I hadn't considered the possibility that the battery wasn't at full charge, its being driven for around 2 hours per day at the moment so i assumed it'd be full charge, but maybe it isn't, i will check that tomorrow aswell.
 
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