Does this sound like a thermostat problem?

Currently reading:
Does this sound like a thermostat problem?

J

James K

Guest
My Brovo engine heats up with no heat coming back into the car even with the heater on full. Once the engine gets really hot (close to the red) i start to get heat back into the car and the engine then cools. But then air goes cold and the problem starts again!

I had a similar problem a few weeks ago and the AA man said it was air locked and sorted the problem....could one problem cause the other?

Is it easy to replace?

Any advice would be much, much appreciated.

Thanks a lot,

Jim.

PS. Great forum guys and extremely helpful website Nige - thanks!
 
Sounds very similar to when the thermostat went on my g/f's Cinq...
 
Sounds like the airlock is still there. Its probably worth checking the stat anyway.

What engine size?
 
Re: Re: Does this sound like a thermostat problem?

Poor you :(

The stat is a £50 part and is a total whore to fit. Took me over 1hr and I'm a good mechanic.
 
Re: Re: Re: Does this sound like a thermostat problem?

Oh Great!!

Well i'm a bad mechanic so it'll be a Haynes manual, a day and a half in the rain and a bucket with a few size nine boot marks in it (better than kicking the dog!).

Thanks for your help guys.

Jim.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Does this sound like a thermostat problem?

The main prob is getting the old hose clips off. You have to cut them off and its quite a confined space.

Basically it goes like this:
Battery out
ECU unbolted and moved to one side
Cut hoses off
Remove stat
Clean gasket face
Move temp senders to new stat
Replace everything
Refill
Burp the air from the rad and heater
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does this sound like a thermostat problem?

Thanks Tom, That doesn't sound too bad! I'm sure it's not as easy as it sounds but i'll give it a go.

Jim
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does this sound like a thermostat problem?

The prob is its half way down the side of the bloody engine.

I can't remember what size hole clamps you need either, you will have to find out as you go. If you get a new stat, take it to halfords and stock up on hose clamps. I think you need something like 3 or 4 different sizes.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does this sound like a thermostat problem?

Could also be a head gasket blown. Is the water in the rad a rusty colour and is there evidence of water being blown out anywhere?
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does this sound like a thermostat problem?

The temp would not come down again. Usually a blown head gasket will make the temp rocket. Sounds like an airlock and/or stat problem.

Lets just hope his other half will tollerate him boiling the old stat in one of her good saucepans. :)
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does this sound like a thermostat problem?

Well let's hope it isn't the head gasket. It's certainly not leaking and the temp does keep going up and down.

I don't think I'll need to use her saucepan; I'll just get her to shout at it for a while...that'd heat it up! lol!

Thanks again.

Jim.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does this sound like a thermostat problem?

It would be best to bleed the system again to check for recurrent airlock before removing the thermostat, if its such a pig of a job. If it is airlocked again then it is the source of the air that you need to find!

Nick
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does this sound like a thermostat problem?

Good point nick - thanks, that would be the logical thing to do. Hopefully I'll get a chance to look at it this weekend. I'll have to do some reading into it first.

If it is an airlock and not the thermostat, does anyone know of anything that might cause a recurrent air lock?

Jim
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does this sound like a thermostat problem?

Don't want to be a doom-monger but I had a similar problem on a punto I used to have and it was coming in via the head gasket. Get the engine hot and then put your hand on the overfill bottle. If you can sense a bubbling (much like you would if you put your hand on a boiling kettle) then air is deffo leaking in from somewhere.

Shabash!
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does this sound like a thermostat problem?

Oh s@*t,

I've only had it a couple of months and it's been running fine - haven't thrashed it or anything! I'll check for what u say Al when I get home tonight.

In the meantime i'll jsut keep telling myself - "it's only a car, it's only a car...."

Jim.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does this sound like a thermostat problem?

If it is the head gasket, it sounds like its only a very small leak. Tightening the head bolts may close it.

However, your problems may not be over, as leaking head gaskets can be caused by other underlying problems, rather than just a head gasket deciding its time to blow.

The usual cause is overheating. This causes extra sresses and strains and in extreme cases can cause the head itself to warp. Remember that the temperature gauge only measures the temperature of the water near it, not the temperature of anywhere else, so its perfectly possible for the gauge to be reading slightly warm even if the water around the cylinders is boiling hot. A slightly leaking head gasket can blow all the water away from the water jacket around the cylinders and replace it with air (a big airlock) so this area now has no cooling at all and so can get very hot, but at the same time there is water around the temperature sender just indicating that the temperature is rising above normal! Get a big enough airlock and it stops the pump from pumping as well.

So what can cause the gasket to blow in the first place? The car has overheated at some point due to eg a leaking pipe, a fan failure etc and the causing problem has been fixed but not the headgasket. The car will still show signs of overheating (but not as bad as before) so the owners decide its a serious problem and time to move it on while it still appears to be ok.

Well, thats one cynical view anyway.

It could well be that its simply the thermostat that is misbehaving, but I've been in the same position of hoping that it was the thermostat when all along it was the head gasket. Mine was caused initially by a blocked radiator. I replaced the head gasket twice before I found this out. Note sticking a hose in one end of the radiator and watching for water coming out the other end does not guarantee that the rad is not blocked (I did this!). Get it flow tested if you think this may have something to do with it!

Can't think of another way that air can get into the system.
I have heard that most garages can test the rad water for dissolved combustion products which is a sure way of telling if the head gasket is leaking into the water.I've never tried this so it may be a vicious rumour, but may be this should be your first approach if you are getting regular air locks.

A long post but I hope it was worth it!

Nick
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Does this sound like a thermostat proble

Just a note, NEVER EVER EVER retighten the headbolts. As its an ally head you will simply warp it and make any problems 10X worse. If it has blown the gasket, retightening will do nothing to help.

I don't think it is a gasket prob, even a small leak would be enough to blow water out of the rad cap. The way the temp goes down does imply a stat/airlock issue.

I've blown head gaskets and even a very small hole lets alot of pressure through and the cooling system usually emptied VERY quickly.
 
Thanks Nick/Tom for such great responses. I certainly understand a lot more about the possible causes and solutions. Feel much happier now to go away and try the things suggested to identify and sort out the problem.

As a general note to everyone, this is the first time i've used this forum and to receive educated and fast responses is absolutely priceless. So thanks to all involved, but especially those who posted above.

Any more info gratefully received.

Jim.
 

Similar threads

J
Replies
0
Views
974
jason
J
C
Replies
0
Views
7K
Carroll
C
K
Replies
2
Views
1K
Dark Lurker
D
W
Replies
0
Views
927
wakka
W
Back
Top