Tuning Decided: Seicento to b built to Hill Climb Spec!

[craigb244]

16valve rods are brilliant. from the factory that are all within 1gram of each other and they are of a much more modern metal and design.

brush marks on the one side of piston is common. on the powerstroke of the engine the piston is forcing the rod down but the rod is at an angle and so pushes the piston into the wall (this is why you get oval/out of round bores on worn engines.)
as long as its not bad it will be fine.

On the motorsport front. why not join a local motorsport club (or two) and do a few small cheap events like autotests (make sure you pick forward only tests lol) go to a few of the social nights (most clubs have on once a week)
this way you can meet people who will know the ins and outs and most likely willing to help. in information you get from people at these clubs are usually much more accurate and up to date then you get from randomers on the internet. (in my expiration)

events that require nothing but a car with a mot (no cage/no track tyres/no helmet overalls) cost between £25-50 for a full day of fun. great way to learn how to drive your car before spending big money

 

[whitz]

In my free time I decided to start working on the 16v engine and begin to recondition it. First off I removed the pistons and rods. Pistons have some brush marks on their side... hope this won't be too problematic. Otherwise, they seem pretty fine. Gave them a good clean.

Will dismantle the crank soon enough to take it for balancing too. I am noticing that the rods are already pretty lightened and I doubt I will lighten them any further. The pistons are quite skinny too - perhaps a good dynamic balancing will suffice along with the lightened flywheel

PICS!

over n out

very nice, how easy is it for you to source engine parts over there ?

over here is rubbish

these are some good ideas in these vids!
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW8xBDqTa9c"]YouTube- 850 Con Rod Mods-01.wmv[/nomedia]

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFaLD40VAo8&feature=channel"]YouTube- Con Rod Mods-01.wmv[/nomedia]

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wb38pYz86E&feature=channel"]YouTube- Connecting Rod Narrowing[/nomedia]


Ash

 

[D|s]

16valve rods are brilliant. from the factory that are all within 1gram of each other and they are of a much more modern metal and design.

brush marks on the one side of piston is common. on the powerstroke of the engine the piston is forcing the rod down but the rod is at an angle and so pushes the piston into the wall (this is why you get oval/out of round bores on worn engines.)
as long as its not bad it will be fine.

On the motorsport front. why not join a local motorsport club (or two) and do a few small cheap events like autotests (make sure you pick forward only tests lol) go to a few of the social nights (most clubs have on once a week)
this way you can meet people who will know the ins and outs and most likely willing to help. in information you get from people at these clubs are usually much more accurate and up to date then you get from randomers on the internet. (in my expiration)

events that require nothing but a car with a mot (no cage/no track tyres/no helmet overalls) cost between £25-50 for a full day of fun. great way to learn how to drive your car before spending big money

Problem is, I doubt there is another motorsport club! I have raced the sei on the 1/4 mile track several times but I don't know of any other club... Small island you see!

What I might do is enter the sei once or twice in the hill climb event AS IS (Group S) and see how I feel about it. However I have always wanted to mod my sei in this way so I will eventually go through with what I have planned.

@whitz: I actually got the engine from the UK lol but we have plenty of engines here too. I bought the 16v for a very good price so that it was cheaper than local prices hehe Thanks for the linkeys

 

[rallycinq]

There are apparently 18 clubs registered with the Malta Motorsport Federation, although the federation does say they don't have the infastructure yet.

Why not organise your own autotests?

Cheers

D

 

[D|s]

Will have to look into the autotest possibilities as I have never heard of any of these taking place around the islands. However I DO need to get into the racing scene more...

A few updates: Got my punto gt brakes and I have spent the last couple of days (every little time I have at the moment) cleaning and treating the calipers to some red paint

Pics of course!

 

[whitz]

Will have to look into the autotest possibilities as I have never heard of any of these taking place around the islands. However I DO need to get into the racing scene more...

A few updates: Got my punto gt brakes and I have spent the last couple of days (every little time I have at the moment) cleaning and treating the calipers to some red paint

Pics of course!

:yum:

id take the pain off the mating face, would want it to slowly work its way loose!

Ash

 

[rallycinq]

Will have to look into the autotest possibilities as I have never heard of any of these taking place around the islands. However I DO need to get into the racing scene more...

If your club wants some instruction on how to run an autotest I am open to a free or cheap trip to the island.

Cheers

D

 

[Todger182]

If your club wants some instruction on how to run an autotest I am open to a free or cheap trip to the island.

Cheers

D

Can I come too?

Thanks

 

[D|s]

If your club wants some instruction on how to run an autotest I am open to a free or cheap trip to the island.

Cheers

D

Well that would be interesting. I will keep this in mind and when the time comes I will communicate this to the clubs and see what they think ) really helpful cheers!!

Yeah you Brits could use some shiny weather anyways

 

[ycming]

Can I come too?

Thanks

Ermm we all take our cento over and enter the event ?

 

[D|s]

That would be ace! I'm sure we can organize a Cento meet in our islands... wud be cool if you guys came during the hill climb season and we cud all go check 'em out ;D

*dreams*

 

[rallycinq]

Ermm we all take our cento over and enter the event ?

Go check the globe.

Cheers

D

 

[D|s]

Go check the globe.

Cheers

D

i gues you'd all have to have the cash of a cento just to come down here XD

 

[rallycinq]

i gues you'd all have to have the cash of a cento just to come down here XD

It would take a good few days to tow the car all the way there, and back.

EDIT:- We'd also need to check competition licensing requirements, don't think we'd be allowed to compete in a national event.

Cheers

D

 

[D|s]

Good news!

Punto Gt brakes are in! look the part behind the abarth alloys! Stopping power has greatly improved especially with the new master cylinder. Just one more step to becoming a Punento!

Pics will follow tomorrow i promise

 

[D|s]

Just went and bought this through Rude Racing. cheapest I could find that ship over here!

http://www.ruderacing.co.uk/Alignme..._Bolts_for_Renault_Clio_Mk1/product_info.html

Had read in some other thread by JEEVO that these match perfectly

 

[jimbro1000]

Be very, very wary with this kind of setup. I used to have something similar on my Dallara and it only took a relatively light knock to completely throw the camber out of alignment - not something that happens a lot on track but hillclimb and rally are another matter.

A far safer option is proper camber plates, especially when these give a measurable and consistent change so swapping between setups doesn't require additional measurement or facilities.

The camber bolts are certainly an easy first step but please don't consider staying with them if you decide you like this hillclimbing lark.

 

[D|s]

Are camber plates available for the sei? any link would be grand!

Since they were a ceap option I chose them to see how it would transform the handling. If I'll have any problems out they go!

 

[jimbro1000]

Camber plates can be made - they aren't particularly complex, it is just a matter of using the right fixings.

It is a little tricky on a sei as the top mountings double up for other things - like the ecu but in practical terms it would be a case of either creating a plate the accepts the standard damper or adapting an existing plate from another car that accepts a single competition style damper with just the strut's rod.

Both options are quite possible. Camber plates are not really anything clever, just two plates, one fixed to the chassis and one to the damper. You then just adjust their relative positions.

In days gone by we used to just put slots in the chassis so you could move the top of the damper side to side and then bolt it into place in the desired position. I'm not sure how well this sort of thing would go down with the scrutineers but in principle it is better than the wobbly bolts you have now.

The slots are normally graduated to mark the different degrees of camber available which is one of the things that makes them so much better.

 

[D|s]

Had an Alfa 33 steering lying around which I decided to give some TLC and hopefully make this fit onto the sei. Interestingly, the original factory boss is Momo. Italians

Steering was brushed down to the metal, primed and sprayed in semi-gloss black. Paint needs to be treated to some polishing compound to get it to a glass finish although I intend to leave it matt.

Will then buy a seicento boss: http://www.meanmachines.biz/store/boss-kits/fiat-punto-bravo-brava-marea-palio-barchetta-cinquecento-seicento-jtd-steering-wheel-boss-kit-hub-kit.html and machine the correct fixing holes in the steering, and blank the rest. Think it will look good on the sei