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ok well is the rs2000 or coupe pump an easy fit? ill be wanting one of these then to add to the list
General cinq 1108cc cam and 1242 cam
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General cinq 1108cc cam and 1242 cam
There's a huge thread by J333EVO (Aaron) the father and godfather of my and Martin's Cinqs respectively. But, essentially, the pump is by the same manufacturer and pretty much just pops in.
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thanks for that, well ill ring round at work no doubt ill be able to come across a cheap one, just ahve to keep doing things in stages
Just to confirm, coupe turbo fits, mines running a 20VT coupe pump.. But as said, do a search on this because theres loads of stuff on it, with the same answers from Aaron on each one, bless him..
Yeah I do end up posting the same stuff all the time.
generally along the lines off;
Off-sets (ET),
Fuel pumps on turbos,
cam's on turbo's,
fuel pressure regulator on turbo's,
brakes;
Thats it I do not know any more
The standard Cento pump is a Walbro item, this makes it very eay to fit a Walbro pump from a car that requires more fuel, the 2L 16V Escort RS2000/GTi (Ford 2.9 V6 as well) pump being a favourite as this was recommended to me by Sytec when I covered the requirements of my car. Though others have used Coupe pumps, MGF pumps amongst others.
generally along the lines off;
Off-sets (ET),
Fuel pumps on turbos,
cam's on turbo's,
fuel pressure regulator on turbo's,
brakes;
Thats it I do not know any more
The standard Cento pump is a Walbro item, this makes it very eay to fit a Walbro pump from a car that requires more fuel, the 2L 16V Escort RS2000/GTi (Ford 2.9 V6 as well) pump being a favourite as this was recommended to me by Sytec when I covered the requirements of my car. Though others have used Coupe pumps, MGF pumps amongst others.
there you see, isn't he good.
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well thanks for that, might go into a breakers yard and get one of the RS2000 pumps then while im there i want to look for a smallish 1.5" diameter inlet/outlet intercooler
wondered if the astra turbo diesel that the turbo came of would have the right size intercooler??? any1 no?
once the pump is in what alterations should be done straight away? or will the standard ECU and running gear manage the new pressure without having to do anything to the regulator for example?
wondered if the astra turbo diesel that the turbo came of would have the right size intercooler??? any1 no?
once the pump is in what alterations should be done straight away? or will the standard ECU and running gear manage the new pressure without having to do anything to the regulator for example?
It'll change the fuelling completely. You'll need an adjustable regulator something like this [http://www.upgrademotoring.com/performance/sard/sard_sportregulator.bmp]SARD[/url]
and rolling road set up.
I'd be inclined to do everything else on this little list first, and then look to the fuelling side of things.
Really, with the intercooler it's going to be a case of having one made or trying one you think will do the job. Don't worry too much about the size of piping it's designed for.
and rolling road set up.
I'd be inclined to do everything else on this little list first, and then look to the fuelling side of things.
Really, with the intercooler it's going to be a case of having one made or trying one you think will do the job. Don't worry too much about the size of piping it's designed for.
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ok thankyou, well i thought so,,,nothing can ever be simple
well if i fitted the sard regulator what happens to the origonal built in regualtor does that stay on (working) or is it to be disconnected and forgotten about? cheers
In the SPI set ups it stays there -- see Aaron's diagram.
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ow i see, well guess the pump and regulator are going to have to be on the list for things to do-sooner than others!
i want reliability,may have a decomp plate on way from ferrinday soon dont no what thickness to choose from 1mm,1.5mm or 2mm? its this rather than a total strip down of the bottom end which i dont want to do just yet, will the engine run good on low boost with the plate fitted though?
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i want reliability,may have a decomp plate on way from ferrinday soon dont no what thickness to choose from 1mm,1.5mm or 2mm? its this rather than a total strip down of the bottom end which i dont want to do just yet, will the engine run good on low boost with the plate fitted though?
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ow i see, well guess the pump and regulator are going to have to be on the list for things to do-sooner than others!
i want reliability,may have a decomp plate on way from ferrinday soon dont no what thickness to choose from 1mm,1.5mm or 2mm? its this rather than a total strip down of the bottom end which i dont want to do just yet, will the engine run good on low boost with the plate fitted though?
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I wouldn't expect it to run as good. You really need to calculate the thickness you need for the CR you want. Personally, if I wasn't into forged pistons, I'd go the route Aaron suggests. It'll be a lot less hastle in the long run. You could always get farriday to do you a solid head gasket.
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hhhmm good point, well i wanted to lower the C/R abit while it was on low boost (when the head comes of for porting) just to be even safer, you think even the 1.5mm decomp plate or 1mm would make it run rough? this is all mainly because the bottom end (i hope) will be untouched while running low boost.
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also demon tweaks actually sell a 1.2mm and a 1.6mm spesso head gasket for the 1108cc/1242 engines so the decomp plate wouldnt be doing anything more than there head gaskets would be really, so im wondering if the good running of the engine wount be compramised through fitting the decomp plate,,,,im not sure
Nah, Farriday do 2 things for heads. There's the decompression plate, which you use as well as the Head Gasket, and the solid head gasket (copper, and re-useable) instead of the stock HG.
BTW, to keep it in the family, Fluffy does the Spesso ones, and Guy Croft does ones by Spesso's former development engineer which are said to be even better.
BTW, to keep it in the family, Fluffy does the Spesso ones, and Guy Croft does ones by Spesso's former development engineer which are said to be even better.
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ow ok cheers, really not sure what to do about the decomp plate now :hm: i would get the 1mm one and a good head gasket if i new the engine would run smoothly, dont think any1 has tyred it on a low boost engine?
Thicker head gaskets decomp plates all mean you can run more boost safely essentially making it high(er) boost or you canrun the same boost even more safely (not quite sure why you'd want to do that as it's reliable as it stands)but with lower compression and the same boost it could make the car less tractable
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well just for the reliablity really, i dont want to be holding a melted piston in my hands
but like you say with the standard boost im safe, guess when the head comes of ill just stick a good head gasket on from spesso (1.6mm) that would be planty safe enough than, just a case of getting the fueling spot on now
ow i see, well guess the pump and regulator are going to have to be on the list for things to do-sooner than others!
If your going for a brand new pump, what you need is ITP050 from www.fuelsystem.co.uk the pump is a Walbro pump normally found on Escort RS2000, Sierra/Granda 2.8V6 so its uprated for the purpose needed and a direct swap fro the Cinq one.
You will then need to run a rising fuel pressure regulator to control it 3 bar to 2nd injector - Set the regulator to about 2.5 bar, that way as the revs rise and the car comes onto boost it should raise up to 3 bar. My regulator has a built in guage so you can see this, guage isn't really needed after installation but it looks cool.
Heres Aarons diagram of how to fit
It is advised that you check the primary regulator as well. Might not be so important as this car has been turbo'd for ages but if you go high boost check it... Standard pressure i think is between 0.8 and 1.2 bar, adjust it to 1.2-1.4bar and then get the car set up at the RR. (to adjust the primary regulator you need to turn the little allen key on the TB, can't remember which way is which though..
Hope that helps.
Tbh though, this car is well proven and personally i'd get Intercooler and stuff on first, i would have thought any issues with fuelling would have reared its ugly head by now..
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hi, rang a place up today they have a mondeo 2.0l fuel pump he ses that they are the same as the RS2000 pump does any1 no if thats true or not? placed the champion EON1 plugs back in the car and swapped the leads and MAP sensor to see if the car runs better like that let you all no if it sorts out the hesitation!
