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Rogue drivers are evading thousands of speeding tickets by exploiting a loophole in the law that enables them to ignore roadside cameras.
One motorist has been clocked speeding more than 100 times without being caught, while another has got away with driving at 119mph in a built-up area. The phenomenon has prompted police to call for a change in the law.

The scam involves offenders registering their cars at one of a network of 'mass-mailing' addresses used legitimately by businesses instead of at their own homes. When the driver triggers a camera, the penalty notice is sent to the mass-mailing address. Police seeking the motorist find only a shopfront where nobody lives.

Speed cameras generated more than £114m in fines last year and are credited by safety campaigners with saving lives. Figures released last week revealed that the speed of most drivers had dropped as the number of cameras had increased.

Tory frontbencher Andrew Selous, who is campaigning for a change in the law, said uncontrolled speeding by individuals with no fear of being caught risked deaths and serious injuries.

'There is the danger, and there is the sheer injustice of it,' he said. 'If you or I are caught doing 35mph in a 30mph limit, we get three points on our licences and a £60 fine. People may resent that, but understand there is a reason for it. But there are segments of the population who have wised up to clever ways of getting round this, which is extremely dangerous and downright unfair.'

The MP, who represents Bedfordshire South West, was alerted to the scam by his local force, which he said had recorded 1,000 offences in one month alone on which no action was taken because the cars could not be traced. That figure could include some overseas drivers only registered abroad, but also those using the mailing-address ploy.

Drivers have been photographed gesturing obscenely at the camera, apparently knowing they will not be caught, but the cameras do not usually yield identifiable images of their faces.

Another 13 forces have reported similar problems.

Selous recently met South Yorkshire's chief constable, Meredydd Hughes, representing the Association of Chief Police Officers, and was told the association was seeking legislative changes. It is not illegal to register a car somewhere other than the driver's home; employees may be given company cars registered at the firm's headquarters. It is, however, an offence to give the DVLA false details.

The mail-drop addresses often consist only of locked mailboxes from which post can be collected, rather than staffed offices. Insurance may be registered at the same false address, or the offenders may drive uninsured.

Edmund King of the RAC Foundation said the incentives to cheat could have increased because more offences were now enforced by camera: 'It's not just speed cameras people are trying to avoid: in London it's things like the congestion charge, bus lane enforcement with bus cameras, and yellow box junction enforcement.'

But he said the planned introduction of automatic number plate recognition cameras, which automatically connect a passing numberplate to a database with insurance and other driver details, would be harder to deceive.

One of the most frequently used mailing addresses, in Chelmsford, Essex, has been used by drivers caught speeding in several counties. Tory MP Simon Burns, who represents the town, said the Home Office appeared reluctant to act: 'They argue it's all about company cars. But if it's happening here I would be very surprised if it's not happening elsewhere.'

A Home Office spokesman said the national identity register being introduced to back up planned ID cards would help, and added: 'We are examining how serious the issue is.'

A Department for Transport spokes-man said the DVLA database was '97.5 per cent accurate'.
 
speed cameras

after all that, when has traffic congestion killed anyone?(apart from a heart attack).It is just another way of fleecing the motorist. be honest everybody, how many out there has done a 50 mile journey without breaking the law? To my mind, Speed cameras are there just to make money off the long suffering motorist
 
its in last weeks mcn aswell as they have to caution you before they can put through your details as evidence. if they caution you after then they aint got a leg to stand on! my m8s just got one and i give him the mcn!

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"Speed cameras are there just to make money off the long suffering motorist"

Just as store detectives are there to fleece the long suffering shopper?

WRONG!

Speed cameras are there to catch lawbreakers, i.e: speeding motorists.

Just as store detectives are there to catch lawbreakers, i.e: shoplifters.

(P.S: I have points for speeding!)

Mark.
Council estate lad.
And proud of it!

Member of the Guild of Experienced Motorists.
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i always speed neva bin caught yet, gona quit wile im ahead. ;)

INSURANCE IS GAY!!!
 
cameras

Well, we could argue this subject for ever, but after over 50 years driving,(Without a penalty point) I still say that the main purpose is to make money. Is the congestion charge there for people to break the law? No , it's there to fleece the motorist. A good driver is a safe driver, A sfe driver does not get penalty points.
 
We Pay tax for Sh!t roads, we pay Tax again on Fuel, we pay Tax on Mot's, tax on services, we pay tax on insurance, And how do they repay us, they try get more money out of us, vat on evry thing.

INSURANCE IS GAY!!!
 
they need to concentrate on makin safer pavements for a start so people can walk on them SAFELY put lights and crossing in the correct place, not on blind bends like on carmarthen road to swansea, as soon as u come round blind bend, there is a crossing, goto slam on if lights are red. and also Educate pedestrians, coz it always seems to be drivers fault even if he is a good safe law obiding person

INSURANCE IS GAY!!!
 
re speed cameras

Well said Griffy. The cameras are there to get money. period. If the powers that be want to do the right thing, start prosecuting the static motorists, Parking on bends, pavements, etc. I have a friend who uses a pavement scooter. One day the pavement was obstructed with parked vehicles so he had to turn round and go to a ramp to get onto the road. he was honked twice by motorists. These people are breaking the law every time they park up and none of them ever gets a fine, yet the motorist going past a camera at 35mph. Oh! my god! he is a criminal. (Like a shop lifter)
 
wen it comes to breakin the law thses days, dont matter what it is, murder, or parkin offence, or speeding, same treatment

INSURANCE IS GAY!!!
 
alot of it is common sense. of course if it's a 30mph zone in a built up area you really should do that speed. it really p*sses me off when someone drives right up my a*se through a thiry zone. I wait right up until the national speed limit sign, then I whack it in 2nd and blast away. rarely see them again after that :)
You can just use your brain to judge how fast you can go depending on the road and conditions...safely that is. There is a difference between driving carefully and fast (ie. in the right places), and wrecklessly and fast.

John
 
i pass a school on my way to work every day. at least once a month i pass a speed camera van about 50 yards past the school, and get a nice warm feeling from knowing i'm doing 20mph. Nice. However, i have 7 points for speeding. The first was stupidity, because i was gunned on a dual carriageway(with 3 lanes, lol) just 100 yards past the sign that changed it from a 70mph to a 50mph. i was done for doing 68mph. it was not a residential area, but i just dipped the clutch and was coasting down to 50mph. As i always do(as i'm quite aware of fuel consumption) The cop was quite fair, and quite polite and respectful. As was i.
The second time many here will know about, i was gunned while overtaking on a very long straight and safe downhill stretch of road classified at 60mph. i was apparently doing 81mph (70 i believe was the REAL figure, but the cop was a total tosser, who was actually pulling at my cars bumpers and bodykit, looking for something to book me.

Anyway, my point being that speed does not kill. bad choices by bad drivers does. In both instances there was almost ZERO risk of anything untoward happening, yet its cost me a total of £255 in fines and legal fee's. i dont speed near residential areas, i drive carefully when its wet, and keep my car in very good condition, minimising risk. Therefore I feel quite justified in joining in and complaining that speed cameras etc are just a way of fleecing MORE money from motorists. Advanced driving instruction, and retests every 3-5 years would be a much better way to improve road safety.

Buzz
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My sentiments exactly.
Unfortunately - in most cases - we can only shake our heads/fists, and take it :(
 
RE: Speed Cameras

It doesn't matter how much the do gooders or MPs with there head up there backsides say, Speed camersa like parking tickets etc are just Money raisers, Speed camersa by there very nature induce unsafe driving as I'm busy slowing down and looking at the speedo and not the road.

I have seen some new signs with 'No Cameras' that light up advising you to slow down, much more adult and sensible, then you just concentrate on slowing down and not staring at your speedo.

Down with centralised government and there stupid egos and living off our money. Up the revolution!!!

DAz

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From a Cost Benefit Analysis Report of Speed Cameras and Traffic Signal Cameras by the Home Office in 1995:

No of Cameras: 420
Annual Fixed Costs: 5,264
Annual Recurrent Costs: 3,595
Annual Fine Income: 6,730
Net LOSS: 2,129

The Costs are Justified by an Annual Accident Reduction Benefit of : 30,239
i.e. How much they have saved by the reduction in accidents, without this they LOST money.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/prgpdfs/fprs20.pdf

8. CAMERAS RAISE REVENUE FOR POLICE AND LOCAL
AUTHORITIES

Claim: A Daily Telegraph article on speed cameras claimed, The cameras generate around 80 million a year in income Much of this money is retained by the police, something that critics believe merely encourages the proliferation of the cameras.
Reality: Neither the police nor local authorities retain income from speed cameras. As a DfT briefing on safety cameras explains:
Safety camera partnerships are not there to raise money and neither the police nor the local authority
receive any money from the operation of safety cameras. Strict Treasury rules mean that any money from fines that is returned to the safety camera partnerships can only be spent on the operational costs of their camera network, including new cameras where the need can be identified. All remaining money goes to the Treasury; it does not stay with the Partnership31.
Of the 27 million raised in fines during DfTs two-year camera pilot project, 21 million went to the safety camera partnerships to cover the costs of camera enforcement; the remaining 6 million went to the treasury. £6 Million profit, hardly main income then, they probably make more than that in income tax in an hour.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_rdsafety/documents/page/dft_rdsafety_026034.pdf
 

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