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Our 64 ref 4x4 is in for clutch DMF issues, gear box shifting became really clunky within a week. Garage has just sent me this picture and tells me the ‘shiny’ part after the botched spleen is really damaged but they need to check with Fiat about the part / switching out etc.

Can anyone advise what the problem / part seems to be and is it now gonna cost me a small fortune or is this an easy switch out as the clutch is being done anyhow?

Thanks for any help
 

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Our 64 ref 4x4 is in for clutch DMF issues, gear box shifting became really clunky within a week. Garage has just sent me this picture and tells me the ‘shiny’ part after the botched spleen is really damaged but they need to check with Fiat about the part / switching out etc.

Can anyone advise what the problem / part seems to be and is it now gonna cost me a small fortune or is this an easy switch out as the clutch is being done anyhow?

Thanks for any help
Release bearing guide tube is the damaged part.
If release bearing guide tube is a separate part to the gearbox bell housing then it should be cheap and easy.
If it is part of the gearbox then it will be much more expensive.
A photo with the release bearing removed would tell more but any photo is good.
 
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Thanks… the garage sent the image so I have no more…. I think the reason they have contacted Fiat is to ascertain if is separate or part of the housing; would they not easily be able to tell that 😳

How much is the likely charge for those two options, do you know?

Going in the clutch / DMF was quoted circa £900 so now I’m getting worried 😳
 
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As Jack says it's the guide tube for the release bearing. This video gives you a good look at it: You can see, about 2 and a half minutes in, that in this instance that the tube is held in place by two bolts. If your's is like this it will be very easy to change it and the part itself should be relatively cheap. I have also come across designs where the tube can only be fitted from the inside of the gearbox and there's quite a lot of labour involved if that's what has to be done. If they remove the old release bearing, or maybe even just use a mirror to look down the side of it, they should be able to see the holding bolt heads. If the input shaft seal can be easily changed when the old damaged tube is removed I would make sure they do that too. - However on all the boxes I've seen/worked on (Fiat that is) This seal can only be changed by dismantling the front of the gearbox which would considerably add to costs. Your's looks nice and dry from what can be seen in your photo which is good but get them to carefully check for wear in the input bearing when they are fitting the new tube.

The small Fiat gearboxes are well known for wearing the input shaft bearing of their gearboxes once they've got a good few miles on the clock. If I had one that needed the front end of the box dismantled to fit the new guide tube, I would be happy to pay a bit more to have that front bearing replaced while they had it in pieces. However if the tube can be fitted without any dismantling of the box and there were no obvious signs of oil leaks or bearing wear then I'd leave it alone and hope for the best. I'd make sure the box was completely drained of oil and then refilled with the correct FIAT spec oil after it was all reassembled with it's new clutch/flywheel just to give it the best possible chance of "living".

Dual Mass Flywheels are expensive and I'm not surprised to see a charge of £900 being talked about - I've seen them costing substantially more than that on larger vehicles. There are tools which allow an existing D/M flywheel to be assessed for wear and reused if it meets the criteria however I've seen them then subsequently fail long before the newly fitted clutch is worn out, often wrecking the new clutch which was fitted maybe only the year before! Personally I prefer to always fit a new D/M flywheel when doing a clutch.
 
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Thanks for such an amazing and detailed answer. Trouble is I’m a ‘layman’ and don’t know the questions to ask or even if this garage would be straight with me or not; they seem very honest at the moment but getting them to do the little extras is not easy when I’m not there / tech savvy.

They said the DMF was completely shot…. We have 75k on the clock but even so wasn’t expecting a bill approaching 2k which I am now in fear of, is that likely?
 
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I just took a look on the Shop4parts (Fiat specialist spares provider) I'm assuming your's is the diesel being as it's got a D/M flywheel? and came up with this: https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=...at_Punto_(2012_to_)_1.3_D_Multi_Jet_Flywheels Of course you've got the price of the clutch kit on top of that: https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=..._Punto_(2012_to_)_1.3_D_Multi_Jet_Clutch_Kits So somewhere around the £1000 mark for the job all in would be not unreasonable. Plus, of course, the repair to the guide tube. But how that gets you up to around the £2000 is a bit of a mystery to me. However I don't have the advantage of being able to examine the job so there may be other factors?
 
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I just took a look on the Shop4parts (Fiat specialist spares provider) I'm assuming your's is the diesel being as it's got a D/M flywheel? and came up with this: https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=...at_Punto_(2012_to_)_1.3_D_Multi_Jet_Flywheels Of course you've got the price of the clutch kit on top of that: https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=..._Punto_(2012_to_)_1.3_D_Multi_Jet_Clutch_Kits So somewhere around the £1000 mark for the job all in would be not unreasonable. Plus, of course, the repair to the guide tube. But how that gets you up to around the £2000 is a bit of a mystery to me. However I don't have the advantage of being able to examine the job so there may be other factors?
Ours is the 64 plate twin air panda 900cc

The garage hasn’t given me the final cost as yet but did estimate 900 for the clutch / flywheel.

I thought the post 2012 models had Dmf… is that not the case? How can I check for sure (the garage says there is one)
 
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Ours is the 64 plate twin air panda 900cc

The garage hasn’t given me the final cost as yet but did estimate 900 for the clutch / flywheel.

I thought the post 2012 models had Dmf… is that not the case? How can I check for sure (the garage says there is one)
Ah. Now that explains some of my "mystification"! I just keep forgetting about the Twin Air in the Punto! Here's Shop4parts listing for the flywheel: https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=...iat_Punto_(2012_to_)_0.9_L_Twin_Air_Flywheels which is indeed a dual mass.
They don't seem to list the clutch kit for it but I've come across this with them before and it doesn't mean they don't do them. In fact they list it for the Twin Air Panda: https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=...a_IV_(2012_to_)_0.9_TwinAir_Turbo_Clutch_Kits which i suspect will be the same clutch. A phone call to them - they are very helpful - would soon clear this up. but it gives you some idea of prices.
 
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Ah. Now that explains some of my "mystification"! I just keep forgetting about the Twin Air in the Punto! Here's Shop4parts listing for the flywheel: https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=...iat_Punto_(2012_to_)_0.9_L_Twin_Air_Flywheels which is indeed a dual mass.
They don't seem to list the clutch kit for it but I've come across this with them before and it doesn't mean they don't do them. In fact they list it for the Twin Air Panda: https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=...a_IV_(2012_to_)_0.9_TwinAir_Turbo_Clutch_Kits which i suspect will be the same clutch. A phone call to them - they are very helpful - would soon clear this up. but it gives you some idea of prices.
That’s wonderful thanks for taking the time to help

Would you be kind enough to send me an appropriate link for the correct Bell Housing?

Thanks in advance
 
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That’s wonderful thanks for taking the time to help

Would you be kind enough to send me an appropriate link for the correct Bell Housing?

Thanks in advance
Sorry, but I'm not all that familiar with the Twin Air having worked only on the FIRE engine installations so don't feel I can be certain about the Twin Air gearbox. The Twin and Multi Air engine valve actuation gear makes for a very interesting read though.
 
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