but why are you needing to change all 4 disc and pads the same time 
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Like Ming, without seeing RGZ's rear brake setup Rob, I can't say how easy/ hard it would be to do.
Mark, yeah CM Garage has 2 Ramps, a 2 Poster and a 4 Poster.
Mark, yeah CM Garage has 2 Ramps, a 2 Poster and a 4 Poster.
I could do the front brakes for you .
Ming
.Ming
YcMing said:but why are you needing to change all 4 disc and pads the same time
The discs have a pretty substantial lip on them, they're the original ones from when the car was new 7 plus years ago. Pads need changed as think they may well be glazed as there's a fair amount of squeal from them. Back ones were replaced '08 I think (15k miles or so ago) and the front ones I'm not sure about as they haven't been changed since I've had the car - 2006/28k miles ago.
I think the discs could actually be a little warped too, that or the stone guard's slightly rubbing the disc as when I'm next to a wall or similar I can hear what sounds like an intermittent rubbing sound from the wheel area. It's hard to describe, but the squealing and the sound only happened after a "spirited" drive threw a few miles of A and B roads. No judder under braking though which I'd assume would happen with warped discs.
YcMing said:I could do the front brakes for you
Ming
I just remember when Ally and I were attempting the suspension, when we were mucking around at the front end of the car we tried to get the calliper off at one point. He'd changed the pads and such on his Pug so had some degree of knowledge as to how to do it, but we hit a bit of a wall with it as were having issues just doing that.
Could always give it a try though, I mean, how hard could it be? :laugh:
the fronts just look like a fairly standard front end brake change job tbh
http://www.fiatforum.com/stilo-guides/238978-swapping-discs-pads.html
http://www.fiatforum.com/stilo-guides/238978-swapping-discs-pads.html
Mrcento said:
Yeah, the fronts are apparently pretty easy. Just when Ally and I were mucking around with the calliper and such we ran into some issues with it. I think it was the basic of task of actually getting the calliper off the disc, but at that point we were knackered and half asleep with having to wrestle with the suspension so it was probably something rather obvious and easy to solve that was causing said issues.
if the 2 bolts are off, and the caliper doesn't come off easily or a slight tab with a mallet, then the caliper is at fault
Ming
Ming
YcMing said:if the 2 bolts are off, and the caliper doesn't come off easily or a slight tab with a mallet, then the caliper is at fault
Ming
We didn't have a mallet to hand and given the damage we'd reeked on the suspension strut trying to get it off, I drew a line at taking a hammer to the calliper to get it off lol
The brakes feel fine - as I say, no shudder, no decrease in effectiveness, no pulling to one side and no grinding metal on metal type noises. That's why I'm not massively worried about the state of them at the moment. Plus there's been no massive build up of brake dust or heat on any of the wheels which I guess would be the sign of a dodgy calliper maybe sticking or similar. It's just due to my lack of mechanical knowledge (not that it ever shows
), I'm crap at deducing what a noise means. At least it's not intermittent, their a nightmare to work out what the heck's causing them.Agree, i hate those stupid noises just start for no reason!!!
ming
ming
YcMing said:
That or intermitant warning lights!
BTW well done Ming on bagging post # 60,000!
heard something about caliper dust seals or something on stilos rotting, when they go they cause brake squeak/squeal
don't quote me on that, just remember something vaguely from a few years back
don't quote me on that, just remember something vaguely from a few years back
Mrcento said:
Apologies for quoting you on it
p), but do you reckon that'd mean a calliper replacement or just replacing the seals if they can be? It's been surprising on occasion how difficult specific parts like that can be to find for the Stilo. Or at least for the dealer they are - 9 times out of 10 they don't have something like that in stock. Last occurrence were exhaust mounts, which I still can't locate all of as the middle one doesn't seem to be stocked by motor factors or online places, but that's another thread :laugh:I've heard of brakes squealing when their glazed but figured that'd only happen when you're actually braking. The squeal I get is unfortunately intermittent and at speed ie not necessarily under deceleration.
from what i remember (and thats not very much admittedly) it's a caliper rebuild/refurb job
again, don't quote me on it though
im sure im onto something with those seals though, a quick search on FF could confirm or rubbish my memory though!
again, don't quote me on it though
im sure im onto something with those seals though, a quick search on FF could confirm or rubbish my memory though!
Rob! go to Ming's on a weekend & between Ming & I we could have a look at RGZ's brakes for you!!
Muppet if your having rear caliper problems then no doubt they are on the way out and starting to bind..I doubt very much if fiat would even supply new seals they just want to sell you over priced calipers and the rears calipers are right sods to strip and rebuild if your not savvy to how they go together..as a stilo owner you know there are very strict rules regarging removal and fitting and in particular attention should be payed to slackening off the hand brake before doing anything dont even think of touching them unless you can rewind then with ease..if the calipers are goosed then your better off with replacement for little links and stuff remember this thread.. http://www.clubfiat.net/suspension-braking/2816-sticky-rear-caliper-brake-pad.html and as a bonus you get to meet Mrs PNL on that thread posting on my behalf while I was layed up and couldnt walk..[dont forget to wave ]..:wink: fftopic:
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PNL said:Muppet if your having rear caliper problems then no doubt they are on the way out and starting to bind..I doubt very much if fiat would even supply new seals they just want to sell you over priced calipers and the rears calipers are right sods to strip and rebuild if your not savvy to how they go together..as a stilo owner you know there are very strict rules regarging removal and fitting and in particular attention should be payed to slackening off the hand brake before doing anything dont even think of touching them unless you can rewind then with ease..if the calipers are goosed then your better off with replacement for little links and stuff remember this thread.. http://www.clubfiat.net/suspension-braking/2816-sticky-rear-caliper-brake-pad.html and as a bonus you get to meet Mrs PNL on that thread posting on my behalf while I was layed up and couldnt walk..[dont forget to wave ]..:wink:
Was just the fact that I've not seen any symptoms of a binding calliper or at least one's I recognise apart from perhaps the squealing. Said squealing as well, it sometimes is predictable like if I go round a certain bend or something, it'll always happen at the same point on that bend. I just figured if it was the calliper and it was perhaps sticking or similar, I'd see more brake dust, extra heat or similar.
I know how much of a bas the backs are on the Stilo though I've read threads in the past where it's been relatively easy for a Stilo owner to work on the rears even without that "special" Fiat wind back tool.
Cheers Andi and Ming for the offer by the way, I may well take you's up on it. I'm hoping to get the car up on the ramps one of the next few weekends when I'm off and I have time to swap the exhaust mounts anyway so I may have a dig around the callipers then.
Related to that, Phil - is there any visual way of diagnosing a binding calliper or is it only once it's off the disc you can really work out what's up with it?
Simple with binding caliper, handbrake off and see if u could pus hthe car without effort .
Go to halfords, they sell poly exhaust mount made by poweflex .
Ming
.Go to halfords, they sell poly exhaust mount made by poweflex
.Ming
If it's the rear calipers binding (I had all of my rear brakes changed some 9 months ago) then it's possible it's the handbrake cables and not the caliper.....
Like I say, it's possible that it's the cables - mine were shot after last winter and unfortunately the calipers ended up needing changed too. However, if you catch it in time, you may find that it's the cables.
If it is (big hint) buy OE cables as aftermarket jobs simply do not fit properly :sad:
Like I say, it's possible that it's the cables - mine were shot after last winter and unfortunately the calipers ended up needing changed too. However, if you catch it in time, you may find that it's the cables.
If it is (big hint) buy OE cables as aftermarket jobs simply do not fit properly :sad:
Cheers, shall look into it. If I took RGZ to CM, I was going to ask them to look at the braking system anyway due to the squeal, etc. At least I know what direction(s) to maybe point them in. That is of course if I don't go down the DIY route, something the Stilo hasn't responded to well to in the past lol
Stilo's got a weird rear mount for the back box, which is unique to the model in terms of where/how it bolts onto the car and the shape of it. The other is a generic one, when I spoke to the guy at the motor factors it apparently fits an Accord as well. It's the mid one I'm having issues with, so I'll maybe give Halfords a look.
YcMing said:Simple with binding caliper, handbrake off and see if u could pus hthe car without effort
Go to halfords, they sell poly exhaust mount made by poweflex
Ming
Stilo's got a weird rear mount for the back box, which is unique to the model in terms of where/how it bolts onto the car and the shape of it. The other is a generic one, when I spoke to the guy at the motor factors it apparently fits an Accord as well. It's the mid one I'm having issues with, so I'll maybe give Halfords a look.
IS this the rubber mount we talking about ?
Once you start DIYing you will love your car much much much more :!!
Once you start DIYing you will love your car much much much more :!!
