Technical bolts for front control arm?

[pangloss]

Hi all, just bought a Panda for my son who's learning to drive. It needs a bit of work, the first job being to replace the n/s control arm. Looking at the diagram, two of the bolts appear to be TTY. However, when I look at shop4parts (and others) they don't seem to stock a set of replacement TTY bolts.

What do most people do? Reuse with thread locker? Or am I looking at this wrong?

Autodoc in Germany do the right set of bolts, but that means waiting for the parts. Any ideas who else will have these?

 

[koalar]

No they aren’t tighten to yield

Just normal torqued up

Some of the subframe ones are. I am guessing your looking at those by mistake

Worth getting a new pinch bolt and nut they are normally pretty corroded if they been on awhile. Also the nut should be at the front so takes all the spray. It’s not unknown for them to snap

4410B40 LOWER WISHBONE (WITH BALLJOINT) OF LEFT OR RIGHT FRONT SUSPENSION (ONE) - R+R -CHECK WHEEL GEOMETRY SEPARATELY - Fiat - PANDA - eLearn - 4CarData

 

[pangloss]

Thanks Koalar, though isn’t that for a 169 not a 319? The technical drawing I have (Haynes autofix) shows torque + 90 degrees, i.e. TTY.

 

[portland_bill]

Thanks Koalar, though isn’t that for a 169 not a 319? The technical drawing I have (Haynes autofix) shows torque + 90 degrees, i.e. TTY.

As this is the forum for the 169, I'm guessing that's why the answer related to them.
The 319 is catered for in the 2012on section.

 

[koalar]

Thanks Koalar, though isn’t that for a 169 not a 319? The technical drawing I have (Haynes autofix) shows torque + 90 degrees, i.e. TTY.

Yes

You have posted in the panda pre 2012 section of the forum

 

[pangloss]

Doh! Sorry! Fat fingers.

 

[koalar]

Doh! Sorry! Fat fingers.

No problem one person Mk 2 is another’s Mk 3 easy done

 

[pangloss]

Well just to close this out, I've ordered the kit with the bolts and nuts from Germany. We'll just have to wait a bit. Still not sure why they don't seem to be commonly available parts in the UK. Though based on my current performance, I was probably looking in the wrong place

 

[koalar]

Well just to close this out, I've ordered the kit with the bolts and nuts from Germany. We'll just have to wait a bit. Still not sure why they don't seem to be commonly available parts in the UK. Though based on my current performance, I was probably looking in the wrong place

Out of curiosity what year is it

I don’t know a lot about the new cars. The suspension has changed several times

I would expect until around at least 2019 to be standard bolts and just torqued up as normal

 

[pangloss]

It’s a 2014

 

[koalar]

It’s a 2014

I 90% sure there just torqued up as per fiat 500

I hope someone else comes along shortly and confirms

I be surprised if anything changed until at least the hybrid

 

[AAB1992]

It’s a 2014

2014 year is covered by the 2012 onwards panda, so quite different to 500/previous gen panda. Bolts have have a torx head with 1.5 pitch hence why they are 48-66 nm + 90 degrees. Rear most bush is held in with a bolt and replaceable nut on the subframe

 

[koalar]

Well done @AAB1992 for clarification

 

[Yolanda]

I might get castigated here for saying this, but when fitting new suspension parts unless they come with new bolts etc I've always used the old nuts and bolts and to add, I've never used a torque wrench whan reassembling.

 

[koalar]

I might get castigated here for saying this, but when fitting new suspension parts unless they come with new bolts etc I've always used the old nuts and bolts and to add, I've never used a torque wrench whan reassembling.

They have changed the design

The bolts are made to stretch but they can only do this once

 

[porta]

I was told (Fiat dealers) that the top bolt on rear shocks (Mk2 169) should be replaced wehn the shocks are, to which I replied, why aren’t they in the box then…parts dept spent ages trying to find them on computer, had none in stock and couldn’t find them ‘in the country’ yeah right…(GGB didnt have any shocks in stock and I was stuck) old ones cleaned up threads and torqued down

I might get castigated here for saying this, but when fitting new suspension parts unless they come with new bolts etc I've always used the old nuts and bolts and to add, I've never used a torque wrench whan reassembling.

 

[DaveMcT]

Rear shock top bolts "look" like every other self-cleaning M10 bolt on the car. The biggest problem is the tread cutting hardened tip that clears any excess paint at the factory. Get it slightly off-angle and it WILL GO CROSS-THREADED. The tip will chew up the chassis threads.

Fit the top bolt with anti seize before fitting the bottom bolt. Get it in at least two full turns before using a spanner. ideally clean the body threads with a tap.