Technical  Binding rear brake (perhaps)

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Technical  Binding rear brake (perhaps)

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When my 500F car is cold all wheels are free and I can roll it just fine. But, after a 5 mile drive, the rear left wheel feels like its binding (I put it up on a jack and confirmed that's the wheel that is sticking'. It smells very hot too of course...

Before I disassemble the hub, any tips on what I should be looking for? Seems weird it only does it after a drive - maybe something sticking...?

All thoughts welcome!

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Sounds like you have had a busy few days.:)
Generally I manually bleed brakes but if a persistent tricky one, then where possible I prefer a pressure bleed as opposed to a vacuum type, the reason being if system weak, particularly master cylinders, then a vacuum will suck in the brake seals and introduce air into the system where a pressure will not.
Re the brake travel once no air in the system, as I mentioned earlier @ #9, that design of us self adjusters relies on friction to keep the shoes correctly adjusted and unless good genuine replacement shoes and adjusters what happens is the weak adjusters slide back out of adjustment with the strength of the brake shoe return springs.
The correct thing is good quality parts, but the cheat is to slightly weaken the top return spring so it doesn't overcome the self adjusters, then as mentioned earlier, you easy the shoes outwards to a point where you can just slide the brake drums on, then give the drum a light tap with a copper mallet to square the shoes up and the drum will spin freely whilst still at max. adjustment position. This of course is with handbrake cable adjustment backed off beforehand, if this is done front and rear then the brake pedal should be as good as it can be.
Regarding your other issue regarding brake bias as in pulling to one side on braking, I think you will find it is nothing to do with steering geometry.
When I started in the motor trade many cars still had drum brakes front and rear, disc brakes unless major fault tend to be much better in stopping in a straight line.
The trick is on drum brakes to file a lead on the leading brake shoes (make sure it is only the leading shoes) the leading shoe on a single double acting wheel cylinder is where you look at the direction of rotation of that wheel you will see usually the front shoe if cylinder at top of back plate, is the leading shoe. What I was taught at MV college in 1969 is that the leading shoe gives a "self servo action" which increases braking effort by trying to grab on more than a trailing shoe. This is good for improving brake power, but if shoes have a tendency to grab on, the answer is to file away a slight lead on that leading edge to reduce the "self servo action" often all you need is a rough file to make a slope from where the shoe friction material starts to contact the brake drum, it doesn't need to be much 10-15mm, just enough so it contacts the drum at a less sharp angle.
Another point to check when fitting brake shoes is usually the leading shoe has less brake material nearest to the wheel cylinder than the trailing shoe.
If you are not sure what I mean ask and I will try and draw a picture, but my artistic skills are very limited.;)
Note you must do the same on both sides of front brakes.
It does work, my test is 30mph on an empty flat road, hands off steering wheel and brake hard without skidding to a stop in a straight line! :)
Of course , at your own risk if you try this at home folks.;)
Excellent input, thank you. When I have some more time I will replace the pads and follow the advice. It was a good learning process. For now, I just need to get the car out of the way in the garage!

Any thoughts on why they might be a tiny squeal? I wasn’t quite sure, but assumed that copper grease on the locator pins would be the right thing to do, but I didn’t put it anywhere else.

When I do replace the pads, will I need to bleed the entire system and flush it all the way through, or is it just a case of cracking the bleed nuts off, and bringing a bit through? I could really do without that palaver again, it took some of the enjoyment out of it!
 
Excellent input, thank you. When I have some more time I will replace the pads and follow the advice. It was a good learning process. For now, I just need to get the car out of the way in the garage!

Any thoughts on why they might be a tiny squeal? I wasn’t quite sure, but assumed that copper grease on the locator pins would be the right thing to do, but I didn’t put it anywhere else.

When I do replace the pads, will I need to bleed the entire system and flush it all the way through, or is it just a case of cracking the bleed nuts off, and bringing a bit through? I could really do without that palaver again, it took some of the enjoyment out of it!
Can you clarify, pads = brake shoes? Brake pads are used with brake discs, not brake drums like you have.:)
If so then as long as you don't knock the pistons out of the cylinders then no reason to bleed brakes again assuming you got all the air out out last time.:)
Is the tiny squeal as you brake whilst driving? If so usual cause is dust in brake drums (unlikely) or cheap hard brakes shoes (more likely) generally sounds like chalk across a black board. :)
Usually only happens after car has done a few miles to "glaze up" the cheap hard brake shoes, if that is the case, then driving for a few hundred yards in a low gear with brake pedal pressing and accelerator on a bit but not quite stopping the car can clean the glaze off for a while but it will return due to brake material compound.
If tiny squeal when stationary working foot or hand brake then usually mechanism inside brake drum needs a little copperslip grease, just keep well away from brake shoe lining material and brake drum surface. So usually just metal hand brake linkage etc.
By the way the brake "deglazing " trick doesn't work on modern cars as computer stops accelerator working if you press brake pedal, but I have used that "trick " many times in the old days, particularly when manufacturers went from asbestos brake shoes to safer options as they got the compound wrong, not Ferodo they were good.:)
 
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It appears that you have practically new shoes , they take a couple of hundred miles of GENTLE braking (unless emergency braking required) to bed in correctly with the drums. You MUST not attempt to speed up bedding in process by excessive braking .

Squeaking brakes on a car designed 50 years ago when asbestos was allowed in brake linings , don't worry about it , drive it and see if it settles down.

If doesnt settle You could try and find branded brake shoes that are recomened by other owners ? Do you know what brand shoes you have?
 
I’ll drive it for a bit and see how it goes, I was just a bit annoyed last night after all the time invested to hear a tiny squeal 😂
I agree, in no way to "speed up the bedding in process",the process I suggested was for cheap quality brake shoes that that had glazed up after a bit of use. as I said "Usually only happens after car has done a few miles" and the customer had complained about brake squeal after having new cheap brakes at another garage. :)
 
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I agree, in no way to "speed up the bedding in process",the process I suggested was for cheap quality brake shoes that that had glazed up after a bit of use. as I said "Usually only happens after car has done a few miles" and the customer had complained about brake squeal after have new cheap brakes at another garage. :)
I didn’t buy the brake shoes and they looked so new - I can’t speak to the quality of them, but I was at pains not to keep spending… Although I have just added brake shoes to my current shopping cart 😂 these cars are dangerous for my wallet since parts are so cheap, it just means I buy way too many of them 😂😂😂
 
Yes Ferodo were good and perhaps still are (-: I don't know who owns the name currently.
Bendix used to be good but the name was purchased and quality reduced dramatically as production went "elsewhere"
 
Yes Ferodo were good and perhaps still are (-: I don't know who owns the name currently.
Bendix used to be good but the name was purchased and quality reduced dramatically as production went "elsewhere"
Thinking years back 1960s VW beetle brakes used to squeal and the linings were so hard they wore the drums rather than the shoes.:)
 
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