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I considered talking to Gripper about one, but getting a shorter final drive was essential so I really had nowhere else to go.
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I considered talking to Gripper about one, but getting a shorter final drive was essential so I really had nowhere else to go.
John
Did you try Mr Quaife
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Thought about it, but again i'd be stuck with the std final drive so there was no point. This is what i've got now...
A bespoke Quaife would be a serious group buy. I'm guessing you'd need at least 10 people with full money down, maybe more.
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Quaife now do an Automatic Torque Biasing (ATB) diff for the Alfa 147 and the Punto. Doubt if this'll fit weeny Cinq boxes, but it's said to have the main advantages of an LSD without the other problems. was listed at £530 in PPC.
Maybe someone who knows about Cinq boxes (rather than saying "it's the one with the dri inboard CV joints") could give them a call?
Maybe someone who knows about Cinq boxes (rather than saying "it's the one with the dri inboard CV joints") could give them a call?
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The impression I got from talking to someone who uses Quaife diffs is that the diff they do won't fit in the FIRE gearboxes but the GT & Diesel boxes only.
I should add the limits of my technical knowledge of the box was what ended the conversation with an impression rather than confirmed idea.
I should add the limits of my technical knowledge of the box was what ended the conversation with an impression rather than confirmed idea.
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Great thread, very impressed with the car.
I do a lot of rally marshalling etc, and its always a pleasure to see something different, so next time your at Cadwell (Local "Home circuit"), ill come have a look!
Did you do much research into the Cinq cup rally cars at all?
Just wondered what you had in the line of build manuals, and part numbers for the original cars?
Thanks, and keep up the hard work!
I do a lot of rally marshalling etc, and its always a pleasure to see something different, so next time your at Cadwell (Local "Home circuit"), ill come have a look!
Did you do much research into the Cinq cup rally cars at all?
Just wondered what you had in the line of build manuals, and part numbers for the original cars?
Thanks, and keep up the hard work!
John's probaly one of the race (governed) Cinq pioneers although there are many other rally, motor test, rallycross and even drag versions of cento's. On top of this there are fully road legal highly modified, 16V versions, mental turbo's, V6's and even cossie powered, versions
if you need a manual of how to build a hoot of a car it's right here on the fiat Forum, only problem is the rule book was thrown away a long time ago as the car has been out of production for in cinq form for 8 years and sei version for 4 years
if you need a manual of how to build a hoot of a car it's right here on the fiat Forum, only problem is the rule book was thrown away a long time ago as the car has been out of production for in cinq form for 8 years and sei version for 4 years
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Spot on Allan. Steve, there aren't any Trofeo or Group A build manuals around, but then one of the truly enjoyable bits of this project has been researching what is available, and engineering solutions for bits that aren't. End result is more than just a car, but something one can be proud of given its origins (a £243 ebay banger)
I'm not kidding, but there has been the odd occasion where i've looked closely at this picture for ideas...
Cheers, John
ps it looks like Cadwell has been dropped from the 2008 Yorkshire Speed Championship, but its my favourite circuit so I may be there for a track day at some point.
That picture is an 899 from the original trophy.
Cheers
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Cheers
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I'm sure they were still knocking out Seis (as the 600) last year for the Eastern European market. Dunno if they've stopped now........
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Hi John, thanks for the info on Giulio at Bacci. I have ordered Synchro gear kit (you thought the cinq dog kit was expensive look at the tipo dog kit!!), 13/53 final drive and MAx plate LSD. I was planning on the quaife, but the chap that was distributing them said the product was good but quaife were naff to deal with. I sent a quick email to Leo Van Der maden owner of Madeno racing in the Nethlands http://www.madeno.nl/ , he said for racing quaife is very good but bacci plate is better. I trust him as he's helped me a lot with the Tipo, oh and built the suspension for it.
We also lost cadwell from our championship -darn!!
Regards
Rich
We also lost cadwell from our championship -darn!!
Regards
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Hi all,
Finally had to bite the bullet and change the fuel tank - a strong smell of fuel when it was more than half full was a good sign something was wrong :O
Although deciding on a std replacement (I really have spent enough already this winter...) I took the opportunity to fit some tank foam to improve fuel pick up and reduce explosion risk. I'm always looking to run as little fuel as possible, and anything less than 8-10 litres can cause fuel starvation on some fast left handers. I'm also aware than an [almost] empty tank is pretty dangerous. Anyway 6 litres of foam fitted a treat...
Now, when is the first track day...
Cheers, John
ps the 2008 calendar is now out, more soon...
pps Soggy - Its not been on the scales, but my sums reckon its around 650-660kg. The cage doesn't help and I have to run interior trim for the championship i'm in.
ppps Rich - glad you've made the leap. I've been delighted with the bacci diff so far. It seems pretty driveable and very tractable wet and dry.
Finally had to bite the bullet and change the fuel tank - a strong smell of fuel when it was more than half full was a good sign something was wrong :O
Although deciding on a std replacement (I really have spent enough already this winter...) I took the opportunity to fit some tank foam to improve fuel pick up and reduce explosion risk. I'm always looking to run as little fuel as possible, and anything less than 8-10 litres can cause fuel starvation on some fast left handers. I'm also aware than an [almost] empty tank is pretty dangerous. Anyway 6 litres of foam fitted a treat...
Now, when is the first track day...
Cheers, John
ps the 2008 calendar is now out, more soon...
pps Soggy - Its not been on the scales, but my sums reckon its around 650-660kg. The cage doesn't help and I have to run interior trim for the championship i'm in.
ppps Rich - glad you've made the leap. I've been delighted with the bacci diff so far. It seems pretty driveable and very tractable wet and dry.
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Hi all,
Dragged the car out of the garage today for a run out ahead of 3 Sisters on Sunday. I'm determined to complete a full lap this time around, so thought i'd give it a quick shake down. After a beautiful run across the moors to work all seems fine.
Its actually quite funny parking it up in the work car park. I'd forgotten how small it is! It was next to a new focus which is about 2ft longer at the front, and 3ft at the back.
All I need to do is throw it on the trailer and i'm ready. Just need the weather to be good
Cheers, John
Dragged the car out of the garage today for a run out ahead of 3 Sisters on Sunday. I'm determined to complete a full lap this time around, so thought i'd give it a quick shake down. After a beautiful run across the moors to work all seems fine.
Its actually quite funny parking it up in the work car park. I'd forgotten how small it is! It was next to a new focus which is about 2ft longer at the front, and 3ft at the back.
All I need to do is throw it on the trailer and i'm ready. Just need the weather to be good
Cheers, John
I should hopefully be there
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Look forward to seeing you there then.
Cheers, John
Cheers, John
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Quick report.... it was a pretty cold damp start and for those of you that know 3S its bloody lethal when wet thanks to the 2stroke karts that run their the majority of the time.
My first run was pure comedy, wrong gear in EVERY corner, plus fuel starvation. The new diff was taking a bit of getitng used to. 2nd practice run much better, 3rd gear for most corners, although still damp and slippery. First timed run and is was starting to dry out a bit, and I felt I could start to push. A quick look at Kevin's footage showed me far too circumspect around Cowards Leap so i knew I coluld push more there. Final run was dry and the first time I felt I'd really pushed, found another 3 seconds and tied down 3rd in class out of 8 - this included a poor start and a mistake at the second hairpin.
All in all a great first run out for the season, and a decent result. The winter changes have more than halved the gap to the front running pugs, and i'm clearly ahead of the rest (more pugs and minis).
Car performance faultlessly, the new diff is just awesome both in terms of gearing and traction. It takes a lot of getting used to, feeding the power in coming out of a corner actually tightens the line, which is the opposite of what you get used to in FWD. Front end turn in is much improved and the whole chassis now feels really well sorted.
Next stop Olivers Mount (Scarborough) in two weeks for a bank holiday weekend triple header Now where did I put those extra 30 horses...
Cheers, John
ps good to see Kevin (owdchap) & son, thanks for the footage and company!
pps in-car footage to follow...
My first run was pure comedy, wrong gear in EVERY corner, plus fuel starvation. The new diff was taking a bit of getitng used to. 2nd practice run much better, 3rd gear for most corners, although still damp and slippery. First timed run and is was starting to dry out a bit, and I felt I could start to push. A quick look at Kevin's footage showed me far too circumspect around Cowards Leap so i knew I coluld push more there. Final run was dry and the first time I felt I'd really pushed, found another 3 seconds and tied down 3rd in class out of 8 - this included a poor start and a mistake at the second hairpin.
All in all a great first run out for the season, and a decent result. The winter changes have more than halved the gap to the front running pugs, and i'm clearly ahead of the rest (more pugs and minis).
Car performance faultlessly, the new diff is just awesome both in terms of gearing and traction. It takes a lot of getting used to, feeding the power in coming out of a corner actually tightens the line, which is the opposite of what you get used to in FWD. Front end turn in is much improved and the whole chassis now feels really well sorted.
Next stop Olivers Mount (Scarborough) in two weeks for a bank holiday weekend triple header
Now where did I put those extra 30 horses... Cheers, John
ps good to see Kevin (owdchap) & son, thanks for the footage and company!
pps in-car footage to follow...
Car performance faultlessly, the new diff is just awesome both in terms of gearing and traction. It takes a lot of getting used to, feeding the power in coming out of a corner actually tightens the line, which is the opposite of what you get used to in FWD. Front end turn in is much improved and the whole chassis now feels really well sorted.
Next stop Olivers Mount (Scarborough) in two weeks for a bank holiday weekend triple header
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The joys of an LSD. If it goes wrong, remember to keep your toe in. Never lift, or it undoes itself with a clatter.
Olivers Mount, lots of hairpins I seem to recall. That will be fun.
Cheers
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One pic of the wee beastie for now:
God, the weather was horrible!
God, the weather was horrible!
One pic of the wee beastie for now:
God, the weather was horrible!
God, the weather was horrible!
