General auto gearbox help

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General auto gearbox help

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when I got my punto I got the handbook with it but on reading for auto transmission it says refer to supplement which I dont have could anyone tell me the small slot to the left is for manual shifting and I take it the (L) MEANS LOW GEAR ONLY but the (E) button is this for economy and when are you supposed to use it any more tips would be usefull like topping up gearbox ect
thanks in advance for any help:)
 
Hi mate,

In L the gearbox mainly engages low forward gears to optomise the engine braking effect and offer sportyier driving up and downhill.

You can select L when you are moving.

E is for Economy mode. Does exactly what it says on the tin.

The small slot to the left with the + and - is for manual shifting whilst moving as you say.

Hope that helps,
Alan
 
thanks for that alan (y) so the L dosnt just hold in first gear and I didnt knowthat you could select when driving didnt want to do any damage so I will give it a try now:)
 
I assume the car has P,R,N,D,L and not P,R,N,D,2,1 (or 3,2,1).

If so you have a CVT box, which I think most auto Punto's had. This in my personal oppinion (but not may others) is one of the best type of auto box you can have(y)

Technically it has no gear's (do a google search of CVT box) as it works via a belt and two pullies.

L stands for Low. A Lower transmittion ratio is kept, which helps with engine braking when going down hills, or braking hard, in a race like style.

As for maintenance, check the transmittion fluid weekly, just like your engine oil, there will be a tub and dipstick around the gearbox area. It shouldn't normally need topping up, and if it does, then there is probably a leak which will need sorting(y)

Every so often the fluid and filter will need changing, just like the engine oil and filter will every 10,000 miles or so. I'm not sure on the mileage for the transmition fluid in a auto Punto, it will also depend upon if I'm right about it being a CVT box as I don't have a punto, but if anything like my Panda I think it's evey 27,000 miles or so.

Someone else should be along soon to help in more detail(y)

Jon.
 
thanks for that jon yes it is a cvt (y)and I have read somewhere that it is the best of the autos puntos have. can anyone tell me what sort of mpg to expect as with all autos it overevs all the time:)
 
thanks for that jon yes it is a cvt (y)and I have read somewhere that it is the best of the autos puntos have. can anyone tell me what sort of mpg to expect as with all autos it overevs all the time:)

O No No No, that's what a CVT is suppost to do. Conventional Auto's are not(y)

All the info is here, I find it all fasinating:p http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuously_variable_transmission

What size engine is it?

my 1108cc CVT Panda returns about 36-40MPG around town and country (heavy right foot youngster), and upto 56MPG on a motorway sitting at 55-60MPH:eek:(y)

Let me know how you get on with the link, and what you learn, lol.

Jon.
 
OK - I assume you're talking about a Mk2 Punto. Just in addition to what Jon has said...

Do not top up with anything other than correct CVT oil - and for the Mk2, that is either the FIAT CVT-NG oil, or the Nissan NS-1 oil if you can't get the FIAT oil for some reason. The replacement interval for the oil and the filter is 40,000km (25,000 miles). The filter is special and expensive because it's a high-pressure type. But it's an easy job to change since it's screwed on to the top of the transmission casing (near the 'NISSAN' label :))

'L' engages an extra epicyclic gear (can hear a whining noise) and is not very useful for anything I can think of. Don't use it for engine braking - it's too low for that. When descending a steep hill, use the +/- ('manual') mode to select '4' or so - that should do it.

Don't bother with +/- at any other time. All it does is it introduces vague 'steps' into the shifting - no help to anything and the revs still vary up and down even when it's allegedly fixed into the selected ratio, mainly because of the torque converter (see below) so it's not really a 'manual' in the true sense - more like a manual with a slipping clutch!

'E', according to the supplement, "curtails emissions in exhaust". I think it's safe to assume that it is also an economy mode. It restricts the engine revs and allows high-geared 60mph cruising at about 2000RPM if you're very gentle on the throttle - a good feature of the CVT is the high ratios it gives. I have E on almost all of the time - I find it helps to turn it off if you're trying to overtake, or if you're having difficulty getting up a hill.

I know what you mean about the over-revving - there's an awful amount of 'slack' between throttle-off and throttle-on. Let's say you're rolling along at 20 mph. Foot-off, the revs drop to about 1200 RPM (or less). Foot-down, even moderately, and the revs flare up to about 2500 before there's any drive. That's because of the torque converter slippage - the Japanese contribution to the project that earlier FIAT CVTs (like Jon's Panda) did not have. You can't do anything about it and the only solution is to use the throttle lightly to minimise the power lost.

Strangely the opposite is true when starting off from a standing start. It takes several seconds for the revs to climb past 2000 so I find myself momentarily bogged-down in the middle of an intersection, roundabout etc. moving at a walking pace. In a manual transmission car the revs pick up quickly in 1st where the CVT lowest ratio feels more like 2nd in a manual. It's just something you have to allow for. Turning 'E' off gives you a bit of a high-revs boost later once you're moving, but doesn't help the starting-off.

I found that Wikipedia article a little silly when it reports "This can give a perception of low power, because many drivers expect a jerk when they begin to move the vehicle." I have a better measurement of "low power" - 0-60mph in my Punto Sporting with CVT takes around 16 seconds. 0-60mph in a manual-transmission Punto Sporting takes around 11 seconds. 0-60 in my other cars takes around 8 seconds, so my Punto feels super-slow ;)

Something I find helpful with the CVT is to shift the lever into 'N' just before you come to a rest. This prevents a slight jerking as the belt makes its way up the pulley that's increasing in size (as the transmission moves to the low ratio). I talked to a specialist about this and again, there's no solution possible other than to allow it to adjust itself in neutral rather than in drive.

The Wikipedia article implies that CVT gives better fuel economy than a manual transmission, but I don't know of any real-life example of this (and, the article doesn't mention any).

For the Punto, the fluid coupling of the torque converter is what kills the economy compared with a manual transmission. I get from 9km/L (24mpg) average around town up to 18km/L (50.78mpg) driving gently (90km/h/56mph max) on a long trip.

A consolation prize is that the torque converter smooths out the drive compared with the magnetic powder clutch of the earlier FIAT CVT - and apparently, the torque converter is more reliable (being simple, old technology).

A manual transmission Sporting returns nearly 40mpg average around town(about a third less fuel used) and even my Uno Turbo manages 34mpg and has a lot more power. So for economy, as well as acceleration, the CVT is a bad choice. I wish I'd held out for a manual! :rolleyes:

-Alex
 
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jon thanks for the link good reading (thanks left) it is a 1.2 16v going to have a fill up and get a true mpg (y)

alexgs thank you for the information on owning and running a punto auto (thanks left) over the years I have drove some autos but got bored with them this one is here to stay (I think):confused: as my wife loves it to bits and my previous car (KIA MAGENTIS 2.0 AUTO) DRANK FUEL LIKE THERE WAS NO TOMORROW so I think with the price of fuel and tax on emmisions going up I think small is best (cars that is :eek:) lol also I am going to try the economy button and see what difference it makes(y)
 
The Wikipedia article implies that CVT gives better fuel economy than a manual transmission, but I don't know of any real-life example of this (and, the article doesn't mention any).

Everyone else say's they can't find any real-life examples. I personally think my Panda is as economical/more eco than the equiv manual, because I get the same MPG around town as we do in the 769cc and 999cc Panda (bear in mind that this CVT one is 1108cc), and I get better MPG on a long run, but I think that's because there is a better higher gearing ratio than the 4spd Manual Panda's.

But as the Wiki page said, the Fiesta CVT returned about 8MPG less than the manual:eek:

In general most auto's will use more fuel:(, But I still like them:eek:

Jon.
 
yes jon I have come to like the autos as well round where I live morning and tea time it is like a giant car park so I find the auto easier in traffic havnt give mine a long run yet so see how much more I get per gallon:)
 
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