Technical 500 Jolly Roof frame

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Technical 500 Jolly Roof frame

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Hi.
Does anyone on this forum own, or have access to an original Jolly?
I'm looking for info about the roof frame, plans, dimensions fixtures etc.

Thanks
Steve
 
Hi.
Does anyone on this forum own, or have access to an original Jolly?
I'm looking for info about the roof frame, plans, dimensions fixtures etc.

Thanks
Steve
I don't, but I wonder if you have seen the American series "Chasing Classics" I think it is called as he had one that I seem to recall they rebuilt including the roof and showed it at the Pebble Beach Concorde? I think it had "rafia type" seats and a "surrey top"? To me a sort of 1950s Mediterranean style. He was called Wayne and specialised in classics, so if possible to contact him I suspect he would have the information you need.
 
I don't, but I wonder if you have seen the American series "Chasing Classics" I think it is called as he had one that I seem to recall they rebuilt including the roof and showed it at the Pebble Beach Concorde? I think it had "rafia type" seats and a "surrey top"? To me a sort of 1950s Mediterranean style. He was called Wayne and specialised in classics, so if possible to contact him I suspect he would have the information you need.
Thanks, I'll see if I can find the program on YouTube.
 
I have one..
Hi Bigvtwin996.
Is there any chance you could send me the measurements, the tube size and maybe some pics of the fittings etc? We have a number of Jollys in South Africa but I can't find anyone with an original roof structure. Any help you can give me would be really appreciated.
I'm not in a hurry, just when you get a chance.

Thanks
Steve
 
Hi...
I will see what I can do.....
it is a really crude affair, I am sure they could be made better, mine is probably a DIY one but clearly based on an original....

First thing is can you measure the width between the top of the screen pillars on your car.....

do you have the fixings at the top of the pillars and the closing plates?
All of which are unobtainable....

the hardest part of the frame is in fact the locking handles...
hard to describe but a pain!!!
 
Hi...
I will see what I can do.....
it is a really crude affair, I am sure they could be made better, mine is probably a DIY one but clearly based on an original....

First thing is can you measure the width between the top of the screen pillars on your car.....

do you have the fixings at the top of the pillars and the closing plates?
All of which are unobtainable....

the hardest part of the frame is in fact the locking handles...
hard to describe but a pain!!!
I have a fellow owner who has the 'top of the pillar' plates so I'm going to try to reproduce them. Maybe 3D printing?
I've seen a pic of the locking clamps and again, will try to create something.

If you could photograph where the back upright fixes to the body that would be exremely useful too.

Thanks
Steve
 
the pillar closing plates are pressed and chrome plated
yep the clamps look like they are welded and finised after attaching

back up right bit mounts are hiding somewhere have no idea and will not be able to find thn till I clear everything out...
but. a square plate screwed to the inner panel with a tube and butterfly bolt that tightens ontp the down tube

(The italians don't like this info being published as it allows fakes to be made... but there are lots of ways to tell a fake)

It isn't actuallly a roof/frame... it is a sun shade, it would ome off at anything more than about 7 1/2mph, it folds up an the cover wraps around it to be stored under the front, the idea being when you park up it shades the seats from getting too hot...
 
Just for you!!!
I have battled through my junk and got to the frame...
it will not be the measurements that will be the issue...
it will be getting the correct angles...
the frame folds up so lots of brackets, as I said so it can be stowed...
or possibly strapped at the back like a softtop

I will take some pics tomorrow....
 
Just for you!!!
I have battled through my junk and got to the frame...
it will not be the measurements that will be the issue...
it will be getting the correct angles...
the frame folds up so lots of brackets, as I said so it can be stowed...
or possibly strapped at the back like a softtop

I will take some pics tomorrow....
Really appreciate your effort.
I'll just have to do the best I can with bends and angles.
I'm busy collecting all the info and pics I can to help me.
Thanks again
 
do you jave any pics of your car?
What year?
Pm me the chassis and engine number I will see if there is any information about it....

it is not going to be an easy feat to make a Jolly roof without one infront of you..
 
do you jave any pics of your car?
What year?
Pm me the chassis and engine number I will see if there is any information about it....

it is not going to be an easy feat to make a Jolly roof without one infront of you..
Yep, have no illusions about the difficulties to come.
The car is at the panel shop currently so dont have many pics.
The blue car is my 1958 'N'.
I'll find the car docs and send the Vin number soon...
 

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Each of those little lumps is a machined and knurled knob that keeps the fame together when in place
The bottom is the rear (I thought they were butterfly bolts)...
If I were (and probably will) to make a new one there are lots of changes I would make....
this has been mig welded together I would supect the originals were gas welded or most likely brazed... I would probably start by making it in stainless and get a mate to tig weld it and polish the joints...
The tubes slot over small steel bar inseted into the tubes and are secured using the knurled knobs, that screw onto what seems to be set screws that are screwed into the frame that also serves to prevent them coming off as they can#t come undone past the heads, they do not line up accurately as a result these tube eends open up, this is also made worse by the fact the tubes are not bent acurately so they line up correctly in the first place I would find a way to bend the tubes more accuratley and reinforce these tubes or make a hole in the tube rather than a slot so the tube does not open up and the knurled knob then becomes a screw in bolt...

It is no a days job to fabricate something like this, the main side tubes are hinged in 3 places so the frame folds up...
looking at it now, I would start by making the front and rear uprights and the attachments to the car...
then making a fully tack welded frame with front and rear tubes bent to shape and attached , the middle braces are neither here nor there and are easy to fabricate and fit at any time, this frame could then be removed and you could look athow to make it fold and slot together.
I have seen old spoft top frames from 1960s UK cars they are a combination of fold back and removeable spars, some used a D section tube as it provied a flat surface to weld brackets or hinges......


Not sure if this topic is of any use to anyone else as there are only 23-4 known Jollys, but there are many great mins on here that have years of experiance with odd thigs so input is always welcome...
 
That's brilliant, thanks so much. Gives me a lot to go on.
If I could ask :
What is the tube diameter?
Could you possible take a few close-up pics of the joints / hinges / front catch?

Very appreciative of your efforts
 
the tube is about 10-12 mm
I will take pics of the joints etc, just had a lot on today..
 
Peter, I tried to send you a message via G-mail today but it has disappeared off my e-mail?
Not sure if you got it...
Regards
Steve
 
Just for you!!!
I have battled through my junk and got to the frame...
it will not be the measurements that will be the issue...
it will be getting the correct angles...
the frame folds up so lots of brackets, as I said so it can be stowed...
or possibly strapped at the back like a softtop

I will take some pics tomorrow....
Hi, can You contact me? I have a Jolly and N, Andrea form Torino, Italy, [email protected] , regards
 
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