Technical 2016 Fiat 500 1.2 Engine Oil

[arorat]

I've since found Mannol oil for about £23 and use a genuine Fiat filter

5L MANNOL 5W-40 Fully Synthetic Engine Oil A3/B4 JASO MA2, RN0710, MB 229.5 | eBay UK

MANNOL Elite 5W-40 7903. RENAULT RN0710. - The ester oil components provide excellent anti-wear and anti-friction properties due to the exceptional strength of the oil film, which, combined with excellent pumpability, significantly increases engine life even in "start-stop" driving modes and...

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Thanks for the Mannol suggestion too, ths is not C3, would that make a difference in the fiat ?

Btw: I bought Mannol 5w30 for another car we have. This forum is fantastic with ideas and suggestions, I've saved money already and gained so much knowledge.

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

Thanks for the Mannol suggestion too, ths is not C3, would that make a difference in the fiat ?

Btw: I bought Mannol 5w30 for another car we have. This forum is fantastic with ideas and suggestions, I've saved money already and gained so much knowledge.

The bog standard 8 valve FIRE engines are pretty understressed units and were originally designed long before today's oil specs were current. Whilst I personally like to always use an oil which complies with the manufacturer spec I think these would run on almost any oil with that viscosity. The only difference I've noticed over the years using quite a number of different branded products is that the initial tappet "rattle" following a cold start, maybe after two or three days without being started, is shorter with some manufacturer's oils than others. So far I find the Fuchs gives the shortest time and I guess that means the oil is finding it's way up to the top of the engine just a little quicker than with other brands, which makes me happy!

 

[Ralf S.]

Thanks for the Mannol suggestion too, ths is not C3, would that make a difference in the fiat ?

Btw: I bought Mannol 5w30 for another car we have. This forum is fantastic with ideas and suggestions, I've saved money already and gained so much knowledge.

C3 relates to the amount of sulphur in the oil and the minimum viscosity... so it's probably more important for the catalytic converter than for the moving parts of the engine.


Ralf S.

 

[arorat]

C3 relates to the amount of sulphur in the oil and the minimum viscosity... so it's probably more important for the catalytic converter than for the moving parts of the engine.


Ralf S.

Perfect. Thanks for this.

 

[Bobupndown]

Went to do first oil change on my wife's 2019 1.2 in her ownership. Ordered oil, filter, discs and pads from my usual motor factors. Didn't pay much attention when they provided 0w20 oil, assumed that's what the spec must be. Just looking further into it now, think I'll be asking them to change it for something more suitable to an old tech engine.

 

[steveras57]

Question to all members, could I use 10w40w semi synthetic instead of fully synthetic in our 90+k miles 09 1.2, just its so much cheaper, Shell Helix and Mann filter for £25 being used on very short trips or is it best to stick to fully synthetic ?

I have been using 10/40 since i got mine 3 years ago, changed once a year with a decent filter regardless of mileage!- never had any issues dont seem to burn any off ,no exhaust smoke etc -dont recall ever having to top it up between changes but to be fair my mileage is probably less than 5k a year oil comes out dirty but not black or like treacle!- to be honest what with the modest performance of the 1.2 i would think that fully synthetic is an unnecessary expense for little benefit. but as ever its a personal choice1.

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

Didn't pay much attention when they provided 0w20 oil, assumed that's what the spec must be. Just looking further into it now, think I'll be asking them to change it for something more suitable to an old tech engine.

All in the interests of minimising drag and maximising fuel consumption thus reducing pollution. When you look at many of the manufacturers they are now specifying these low viscosity "thin" oils for use in both current engine designs and some older ones like our FIRE engines. A newly designed engine, like the Firefly or VAG EA211 modular designs will, I'm sure, be optimised to take maximum advantage of a low viscosity oil and I'd advise anyone with a car built recently to use only an oil which complies strictly with the manufacturer's specification. When it comes to engines like our FIRE engines then I do wonder if the engines in which they are recommending the use of these thinner oils have been altered - optimised - to take full advantage of the thinner oil? So I wonder is things like restrictor orifices to cam oil feeds have been reduced in bore size? Are they now fitted with low friction piston rings? Are main and big end clearances "tighter? and so on, and so on. I suspect probably not, but it would be nice to know - Oh how I miss Mr Haynes manuals!

I run Becky, our 2010 60hp 1.2 Panda on Fuchs Titan GT1 5W-40 which I feel gives a reasonably "runny" low viscosity when cold but maintains a bit of "body" when hot. That way I achieve a quick circulation of oil at start up but retain a bit of body in the oil once up to full operating temperature. Been using this oil in the family Fiats (several Pandas and a Punto, all with FIRE engines) for years and never had any oil related engine problems.

 

[Bobupndown]

Hmm wonder have the internals of the later 1.2s been changed? Can't imagine they would make a massive change. Still think I'll go for a 5w40.

 

[Ralf S.]

The 1.2 ought to be on 5W40, unless your user manual disagrees. For my money, it's more likely that the seller looked up the 500X 1.3.. which uses 0W20 in some emissions conditions, rather than Fiat re-engineered the 500 engine. I can't find anyone listing 0W20 for a 500 1.2.

Ralf S.

 

[Bobupndown]

Yes completely agree, oil changed for 5L of 5w40.