Technical 2.8 jtd wont start / build rail pressure

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Technical 2.8 jtd wont start / build rail pressure

Deano2208

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hi all
We have a Fiat Ducati motor home with the 2.8 jtd engine.
Motor home has been sitting for 2 years with a broken engine.
We have fitted another 2 hand motor but it build rail pressure.
Delivery pump pumps plenty of fuel to main pump but won’t build rail pressure.
Fuel pressure control valve has been fitted new ?
Please any ideas little or big would be a help

Thanks Dean
 
When you asked if the Rev counter is moving I didn’t realise you meant is it moving when cranking it ?
You need a good diagnostic tool to get live data to check what is happening when you crank the engine, something like MES or Snap On.
The rev counter moving should mean the crank sensor at least is working, but as @Communicator mentions there are cam sensors and other stuff that needs testing , hence diagnostic tool.
 
You need a good diagnostic tool to get live data to check what is happening when you crank the engine, something like MES or Snap On.
Yes that’s where I can not get to do as I am not a garage owner I don’t usually touch other peoples cock ups but this is a friends camper. And every one seems to just push the parts cannon on him and not finding the fault. I can do that but his pocket isn’t that deep as mine isn’t. I mainly do Honda goldwing motorcycles for a living and don’t require MES or snap on electronic gizmos. I only have simple OBD2 readers don’t require anything else UNLESS THERE IS ANYONE IN CO DONEGAL EIRE. that can lend me one please 🙏🙏🙏 regards paul
 
And my apologies the no starter is a 244. On a 2004 reg. yes it’s a common rail jtd 2.8 and as I say with the injector pipe just loosened there is a small dribble of fuel but not under any pressure??and no it doesn’t keep on running only fired on easy start no fuel getting to engine as I said no fuel pressure
hi i have same problem can you please let me know by email if you get it running [email protected]
 
Yes that’s where I can not get to do as I am not a garage owner I don’t usually touch other peoples cock ups but this is a friends camper. And every one seems to just push the parts cannon on him and not finding the fault. I can do that but his pocket isn’t that deep as mine isn’t. I mainly do Honda goldwing motorcycles for a living and don’t require MES or snap on electronic gizmos. I only have simple OBD2 readers don’t require anything else UNLESS THERE IS ANYONE IN CO DONEGAL EIRE. that can lend me one please 🙏🙏🙏 regards paul
can you let me know if you get it sorted [email protected]
 
Yes that’s where I can not get to do as I am not a garage owner I don’t usually touch other peoples cock ups but this is a friends camper. And every one seems to just push the parts cannon on him and not finding the fault. I can do that but his pocket isn’t that deep as mine isn’t. I mainly do Honda goldwing motorcycles for a living and don’t require MES or snap on electronic gizmos. I only have simple OBD2 readers don’t require anything else UNLESS THERE IS ANYONE IN CO DONEGAL EIRE. that can lend me one please 🙏🙏🙏 regards paul
I do understand where you are coming from and I was only a one man repair business, just about managing to provide for a wife and five children, so not a wealthy garage proprietor exactly and that was without two ex wives.:(
So my advice is for your friend to look at the cost of the diagnostic tool I mentioned which is probably much less than he has already spent with other peoples "parts canon" which my advice is aimed at preventing. Many on the Fiat Forum run those engines on campers so happy to offer advice.
The reason I mentioned the Snap On tool is that it is very good and some like me with contacts in the Motor trade are able to access one without the major investment, I was hardly likely to suggest the expense of buying that equipment as it needs to be in daily use to justify the cost.
So start with the basics, compression, timing, fuel.
If you are happy you have four good compressions, the valve timing is correct, the rev counter is working so your crank sensor is also, cam shaft sensor checked? The immobiliser light comes on and goes off before engine starts to crank? You have a good supply of clean diesel getting to the high pressure pump? Can you measure for voltage at the high pressure pump regulator and cut off?
Did you say you were getting some fuel from common rail feed, was that steady when cranking or what just dribbled out?
If you feel there is some fuel to injectors then you can do what is known as a "leak off test", this is where you measure the fuel from each individual injectors rubber return pipe, as sometimes one will fail and return a much higher volume than the other three injectors , telling you it is faulty, if that is the case the system will not build enough pressure for the ECU to tell the injectors to open and fire the engine.
You can Google leak off test to explain it.
 
I do understand where you are coming from and I was only a one man repair business, just about managing to provide for a wife and five children, so not a wealthy garage proprietor exactly and that was without two ex wives.:(
So my advice is for your friend to look at the cost of the diagnostic tool I mentioned which is probably much less than he has already spent with other peoples "parts canon" which my advice is aimed at preventing. Many on the Fiat Forum run those engines on campers so happy to offer advice.
The reason I mentioned the Snap On tool is that it is very good and some like me with contacts in the Motor trade are able to access one without the major investment, I was hardly likely to suggest the expense of buying that equipment as it needs to be in daily use to justify the cost.
So start with the basics, compression, timing, fuel.
If you are happy you have four good compressions, the valve timing is correct, the rev counter is working so your crank sensor is also, cam shaft sensor checked? The immobiliser light comes on and goes off before engine starts to crank? You have a good supply of clean diesel getting to the high pressure pump? Can you measure for voltage at the high pressure pump regulator and cut off?
Did you say you were getting some fuel from common rail feed, was that steady when cranking or what just dribbled out?
If you feel there is some fuel to injectors then you can do what is known as a "leak off test", this is where you measure the fuel from each individual injectors rubber return pipe, as sometimes one will fail and return a much higher volume than the other three injectors , telling you it is faulty, if that is the case the system will not build enough pressure for the ECU to tell the injectors to open and fire the engine.
You can Google leak off test to explain it.
Thanks for that I know I’m not alone in trying to do these things I do have Rev counter movement so crankshaft sensor seems ok. The immobiliser light comes on and goes off before cranking. The fuel comes out of pipe in a small flow so not just what’s in pipe seems like there is a supply but small I will be checking the cam sensor in a few days as it’s being towed to my place I do have a leak off kit here of my own so will be checking it when it turns up. I’ll let you know thanks. Paul
 
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