thanks again Mike......does that 240-248 on that page relate to the pump timing? (underneath Bosch)This is what I have for the 8140.47.
The 55 degrees doesn't sound right to me.
Incidentally the 2.8 engine to the right of the pen was what I put in my boat , the 122Hp version, before I increased it's power.
I have some cam belt timing data but the Fiat version only shows the 2.5 as engine series 8144. not the 8140. I do have some cross reference in Iveco Daily data with those engines.
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No, if you move to the left you will see it is in column 21 index above where the other pen is and refers to injector nozzle opening pressure in Bar (approx. 3645psi so don't get your fingers near that!!!
ok thanks.......i should have said 55mm on a dti guage for the pump timing (not degrees) does that sound right?? the manual i have translated from German lists everything but the correct pump timing setting!!No, if you move to the left you will see it is in column 21 index above where the other pen is and refers to injector nozzle opening pressure in Bar (approx. 3645psi so don't get your fingers near that!!!
My book says 1.3mm plunger travel, 55mm is over 2 inches so it would be sticking out of the pump.
i mean on the face of the dti guage.....the actual setting its meant to be set at. (not the length of the plunger)My book says 1.3mm plunger travel, 55mm is over 2 inches so it would be sticking out of the pump.
Not sure quite what you mean, as I recall the gauge is fitted with what ever adaptor is required and zeroed then the measurement is taken.
yes its that measurement it should read i need. from my understanding,you set engine top dead centre, fit the dial guage to pump,rotate engine backwards until the guage stops moving.......zero the guage, then move it back to top dead centre......which will tell you the measurement......so what is the factory spec for the measurement? (if its out you need to move the pump backwards or forwards to set it to the correct spec.)
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Make sure you read the Bosch and not the CAV.
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Post number 35 mentions you were told it had a new timing belt fitted....several posts ago I was going to mention correct timing belt fitment is critical . If the belt not fitted correctly the valve timing and or injection timing will be incorrect.
As it's a hymer a class access to the belt may be more awkward than usual leading to incorrect belt fitting.
May I strongly suggest checking the belt , valve, injector pump sprocket timing before tackling injector pump piston measurement.
Best
Jack
Post number 35 mentions you were told it had a new timing belt fitted....several posts ago I was going to mention correct timing belt fitment is critical . If the belt not fitted correctly the valve timing and or injection timing will be incorrect.
As it's a hymer a class access to the belt may be more awkward than usual leading to incorrect belt fitting.
May I strongly suggest checking the belt , valve, injector pump sprocket timing before tackling injector pump piston measurement.
Best
Jack
Plus take great care with the spacers and washers retaining the plastic belt covers. The order of washer/spacer/washer/nut /which way round spacer is not intuitive and if incorrect can lead to belt rubbing on covers causing belt failure and so engine write off.
Parts for 30 year old engines can be impossible to find.
Parts for 30 year old engines can be impossible to find.
i would suspect the garage that did the belt hadn't a clue about these engines.......most people who had i'd probably have to go and dig up!
where are you based jack?
Gloucestershire
your about 4hrs away (wouldn't mind we were in Devon a few weeks ago.) if i get stuck are you able to sort this out for me? obviously i'll pay you.
i think ideally if the belt was fitted properly,then having the timing set up with a diesel strobe light like mikes would be better. do you have one??
That is kind of you to offer but...
Yes I do have diesel timing light , there are no sufficiently accurate timing marks on your engine, there are no specs for the advance/retard built into your pump so my opinion is physical check better.
I'm currently not well enough to deal with a moho especially A class.
I cannot fit A class moho at my house.
Sorry it is a no .
Best
J
Yes I do have diesel timing light , there are no sufficiently accurate timing marks on your engine, there are no specs for the advance/retard built into your pump so my opinion is physical check better.
I'm currently not well enough to deal with a moho especially A class.
I cannot fit A class moho at my house.
Sorry it is a no .
Best
J
Re the timing light light, I set my engine up using the dial gauge when engine was out after I had rebuilt it, so a lot better access.
The timing light was confirmation and also showed the injection pump advance at max governed revs as I was going for increased performance.
In my case this was roughly 20 years ago, I am happily retired so whilst advice is easy, at nearly 72 I leave it at that.
The timing light was confirmation and also showed the injection pump advance at max governed revs as I was going for increased performance.
In my case this was roughly 20 years ago, I am happily retired so whilst advice is easy, at nearly 72 I leave it at that.
Re the timing light light, I set my engine up using the dial gauge when engine was out after I had rebuilt it, so a lot better access.
The timing light was confirmation and also showed the injection pump advance at max governed revs as I was going for increased performance.
In my case this was roughly 20 years ago, I am happily retired so whilst advice is easy, at nearly 72 I leave it at that.
That is interesting I was thinking diesel strobe far better once the correct start point set and confirmed.
Thanks Mike
yeah i know the feeling..........i'm 62 and arthritis in my hands and knees! (my brain is still young.....i can do it, but it hurts for days afterwards!)Re the timing light light, I set my engine up using the dial gauge when engine was out after I had rebuilt it, so a lot better access.
The timing light was confirmation and also showed the injection pump advance at max governed revs as I was going for increased performance.
In my case this was roughly 20 years ago, I am happily retired so whilst advice is easy, at nearly 72 I leave it at that.
i'd just read that someone had theirs timed with a dti after a belt change only to find it wasn't quite right (less power and less economy) so they had it set up with the diesel strobe and found it was out by quite a bit! set up with the strobe and he had full power again........i need to keep off this internet!!
In my case and it was a long time ago, I confirmed original correct position and then very slightly advanced the base setting and subsequently increased boost and fuel when engine was in the boat, along with a water cooled straight through 4 inch exhaust so no restrictions.
I was replacing the broken 3.75litre 150hp V6 petrol with my 2.8 idt from the 1997 Maxi Ducato originally rated at 122hp so quite pleased with the end result which I ran totally reliable for over four years.
I had my previous experience with the Iveco Daily's running the similar Sofim engines.
I have been fortunate with the good access of the Dailys so never had the A class issues, although I did work on one of my customer's Cherokee Sun Voyager with the American V8 diesel, though mostly servicing.
That was a beast, he used to tow his Renault diesel behind it on an A frame and one night coming back from Spain he noticed sparks from the rear, his step father hadn't released the handbrake on the Renault fully, by the time they stopped the wheels and brake drums were missing and it was dragging on it's brake back plates, we did manage to repair it though.