Technical 14' tyres

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Hi All, just taken off my winter wheels and put the 14" alloys back on my 1.2 eleganza, noticed the tyres will need replacing soon, so 165/60 is a bit of an odd size, not many tyres available, I know 175's will fit But... has anyone gone up on profile sizes e.g 175/80's, would these fit without rubbing, (prefer a higher profile as tyre is more compliant and ride is better) what's the collective wisdom on this???.... Cheers John B

 

[jrkitching]

The Panda rides very well on 80 profile tyres & you have an additional safety factor if you hit a pothole.

80 profile tyres need 13" wheels to keep the correct rolling diameter.

 

[The Pretender]

I'm running 165/65R14 winter tires on black 5.5x14" steel fiat wheels.
My 169 is 40mm lowered @ the front and 30mm lowered @ rear.
No rubbing what so ever.

 

[Eklipze3k]

I can't see the title of this thread without thinking you're trying to build a Panda monster truck

 

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See what you mean! I mean 14" wheels, I appreciate that the 80 profile tyres fit the 13 wheels, thats what I have for my winter tyres, what I was asking is has anyone fitted 80 profile tyres to the 14" alloys, And perhaps a tad wider at 175 and do they have problems with tyres rubbing. I know the radius will be greater and affect the speedo reading but can check that with the sat nag. Cheers John B

 

[jrkitching]

See what you mean! I mean 14" wheels, I appreciate that the 80 profile tyres fit the 13 wheels, thats what I have for my winter tyres, what I was asking is has anyone fitted 80 profile tyres to the 14" alloys, And perhaps a tad wider at 175 and do they have problems with tyres rubbing. I know the radius will be greater and affect the speedo reading but can check that with the sat nag. Cheers John B

It'll also mess up the gearing.

 

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Mr Jrkirtching, I appreciate what you are saying, it would make the car a little higher geared, perhaps a more relaxed cruise, I had a 100hp and used 55 instead of 45 profile tyres, it did make the car a little more relaxed but improved the ride quality no end, what I'm considering doing now for my 1.2, so my original question remains.... Has anyone used 80 profile tyres on 14" rims?? John B

 

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Mr jrkitching, apologies for my previous misspelling John B

 

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Any thoughts on this, anyone gone "non standard"?:shrug::shrug::shrug: John B

 

[AB100]

Doesn't sound like anyone has gone with 80% profiles so you may need to lead the way. There'll be some internet tool available that should tell you the wheel/tyre diameter combination with 14 inch plus 80s. If you use the same tool to compare 15 inch plus 55s and they're the same then you know you have no issues as the 100hp sits lower (maybe you'd get scuffing on full lock - the 100hp doesn't have a good lock).

Good to know you had 55s on the 100hp - I may well go to 50s when I change. I just need a tyre manufacturer to make 50p shaped tyres to match my wheels.

 

[joe1962]

Thought the size for 14" fiat panda alloys was 165 65 14 79 T just bought a pair of Uniroyals £90 usually stuck with Contis but £120 from all the Tyre places round here.

 

[The Pretender]

Thought the size for 14" fiat panda alloys was 165 65 14 79 T just bought a pair of Uniroyals £90 usually stuck with Contis but £120 from all the Tyre places round here.

Based on 155/80R13" it means that 165/65R14" is 1.4% smaller.

I use winter tires in that size.

Ideal would be 185/60R14" just -0.1 % smaller.

 

[pgainf]

Based on 155/80R13" it means that 165/65R14" is 1.4% smaller.

I use winter tires in that size.

Ideal would be 185/60R14" just -0.1 % smaller.

Greetings!

I choose and use 185/60R14 because of that.
It is also one of the cheapest and most available tires size.
It was used before for most of family cars of the 90s.

The car handles super (Panda Multijet 2004) and fuel consumption is great.
Most of the time 76 imperial mpg with some city driving.
Year long results.

My regards

 

[joe1962]

The size is straight out of the handbook & as supplied as an optional extra & the MJ engined cars need a bit more rubber due to the extra nose weight. You may well be correct though.

 

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Based on 155/80R13" it means that 165/65R14" is 1.4% smaller.

I use winter tires in that size.

Ideal would be 185/60R14" just -0.1 % smaller.

Now I'm confused If the 165/65/14 is 1.4% smaller than the 13" with 80 profiles surely the 185/60/14's would be smaller diameter still (agreed that the width is wider) John B

 

[LeoJensen]

I'm on 165/70R14 on a standard 2005 1.2 Panda. No problems at all.

 

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Hi Leo,
Thanks for that, seems the way to go, loads of choice in that size, Conti eco 5's seems to be the highest rated. Cheers John B

 

[bluejohn125]

Basically the rule of thumb calculations from the baseline tyre mentioned gives the following:

155/80x13 => 175/70x13 => 175/65x14 OR 165/70x14 OR 185/60x14

These were classic 80s / 90s tyre sizes for Escorts, Astras, Golfs etc. To me they seem a little "tall" for a Panda...

165/70x14 more unusual but standard for Mk2 Puntos etc.

I don't know why your winter tyres were such low profile, and I don't know what tyre options are listed in the Panda manual....

 

[soggytomato]

have a look on here:

http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible_pg4.html

scroll down until you find the tyre size calculator and below that the table comparing sizes. Also shows how to calculate offset and wheel widths etc.

been using this for years to compare sizes-was very good when I had the Discovery as I changed its wheels and tyres far too often!!

hopefully that should make it clear as mud

 

[The Pretender]

have a look on here:

http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible_pg4.html

scroll down until you find the tyre size calculator and below that the table comparing sizes. Also shows how to calculate offset and wheel widths etc.

been using this for years to compare sizes-was very good when I had the Discovery as I changed its wheels and tyres far too often!!

hopefully that should make it clear as mud

Very nice, but i think the Offset calculator is useless without rim width.
Changed offset mostly combines with the width of the rim.
In my case i'm going from a 5.5X14" ET35 with 165 tyre to a 6x15" ET40 with 195 tire, meaning 20mm more to inside and 8 mm more to the out side.
But where do the 1/2 inch more wheel width go to. ?
In my opinion to both sides, or 5mm to inside and 7.7mm to the outside. ???