Technical 1.4 8V (56) cold start issues(water temp related)

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Technical 1.4 8V (56) cold start issues(water temp related)

ATOMIC DOG

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ive recently had 2 (56 plate) grande punto's in the workshop with the same faults.They will not start and idle from cold and if it does start the engine will cut out if i apply any throttle,also the cooling fan sometimes comes on after a failed start,after 4 or 5 attempts to start it will start and if i leave it at idle for a minute or so i can then drive it as normal and once the engine warms up i can start it everytime.the dash display says [EXCESS.RADIATOR.FLUID.TEMP.TURN OFF ENGINE] errors present are water temp sensor plauseability on both vehicles but seems to be reading ok,ive fitted a new water temp sensor to 1 of these cars and tightened the electrical contacts but its still the same.i think this may be a common fault as ive had 2 in a week,has anybody else had this fault and if so can you shed any light.i would guess its an ecu problem maybe a reprogramme or replacement.
 
Hi mate, have you checked the battery feed cable into the fuse-box at the +ve battery post end? Mine was 3 turns loose and since I tightened that up "No more excessive coolant temperature" warning (or whatever it was)

Also, seen on here about a software upgrade for the body computer may be needed, Dealer needs to do that.
 
Its a usually a simple case of plugging in the examiner and running all the software updates to fix the excess temp warning. See the sticky in the GP section.

Usually but not always, didnt fix mine but tightening up things that Georgio should have tightened did the trick!
 
cheers for replys ill check out the sticky in the gp section my boss wont get any updates for the examiner but ill check the connection also
 
i have a 1.4 8v and it says it every few times i start it but it doesnt stall and still starts all the time
 
ATOMIC DOG- You've two separate faults, both of which are well known to Fiat Dealers. You're wasting your time fitting water temp sensors. ;)

i have a 1.4 8v and it says it every few times i start it but it doesnt stall and still starts all the time

Requires the software update. Speak to your Dealer and book it in and it'll all go away. :D
 
I’m having similar problems. Comments (#18) in thread some 3w back …

Thread: car isn’t starting right (by mxrevelation)
GP 1.2/8v 56(2006Dec) 25K ml & having similar experience since the cold snap. Always fires 1st time but won't hold any revs - have to start-over 4/5 times with some throttle tickle (outside of starting guidelines) before holding revs ... it's like there is no auto-choke(?) Temp dial zooms to max then back to around 1/8th from cold. No problem later in the day.

T14086 advised a “false air temp signal” – but not had the car into clinic yet.

Earlier this week on first morning start, the cooling fan kicked-in – I think this was from ignition-on, i.e. before engine fired-up. I went thro the (now usual) 4/5 attempts to start & on moving off noticed the temp dial appeared dead & EOBD steady warning. Later in the day? … no problem, all back to normal.

I use a local independent (with some Fiat history) on the grounds we have a good relationship & they’ve never gone for `the sting’ when presented with the opportunity. But I don’t know what Examiner kit they hold. Within 10 mile or so, there are further independents’ (one run by ex-Alfa/Fiat men & another claiming `Italian car’ specialisation).

Given Atomic Dogs comment …

... my boss wont get any updates for the examiner ...

… is there a definitive list of software version up-dates so one can check what a dealer (or independent) is working from?
 
For dealer use only, these cost alot of money in subscriptions so wont give away for free i'm afraid.

I'm not seeking to get hold of any Fiat hard/software or to circumvent anyone's rice bowl. It's just that I'd like to know what kit they hold & what version they're running on the `forewarned-is-forearmed' principle. For example, (as well as flagging-up dealers as Atomic Dog describes) if a dealer is running v9, & v10 is due for release on 01 May - then obviously it maybe worth waiting a few days to hook-up to the latest issue.
 
The system is constantly updated online if thats what you mean?

What I had in mind was - if I walk into a dealers (or independents) tomorrow, what version of Examiner software can I expect to be available. But in addition it would be helpful to know what version corrected the problem high-lighted by this thread.
 
2006 55 GP 1.4 Active Sport 8V, 40k miles.

Just for the last three or four days I'm getting the same problems as witnessed in this and other similar threads, namely:-
1) On a cold start (no throttle) the engine fires immediately, runs for a few seconds and then dies as the temperature gauge rises to max and the coolant overtemperature alert is seen and heard. The temperature guage then falls to about 1/4 of scale.
2) Each time I repeat this the engine runs for longer before it dies. Eventually after between about 3 and 7 repeats it continues to run OK but the temperature gauge again drops to 1/4 of scale when the engine is still cold.
3) On an odd occasion it's even worse: on the first try, as the engine dies the check engine light comes on and the cooling fan starts up, continuing to run even when the ignition is switched off. This may repeat on further attempts, but eventually it goes into the mode as 1) then 2) above, then finally starts and runs OK.
4) Once a cold start and run has been achieved the engine will restart and perform as normal. The problem only recurs if the engine is allowed to go cold.

We have the car serviced at a local independent within walking distance, mainly 'cos main dealers are many miles distant. Thus, although I have had intermittent coolant overtemperature alerts on starting (with the associated rocketing temperature gauge) for at least a year now and more so in cold weather, I have done nothing about it - it is clearly merely a software bug and hasn't affected the way the car starts or drives. I took the precaution of checking the battery contacts in the past to try and make it go away and it did seem to make a difference for a while, but it might just have been warmer weather at the time.

The cold start problem is what is new since Tuesday last.

Last Friday, before the cold start problems began, it passed the MOT and associated emissions tests with flying colours. The battery seems really good; it has had no problems in -10C temperatures in recent weeks (although I suppose that stress might have made it start to suffer). I have loosened and retightened the connections on the battery, fusebox and engine earth strap today but it has made no difference.

Just in case the battery has begun to suffer and the volts have dropped a minute amount below a threshold that the software requires - in the morning I'm going to jump it as I try the first start of the day with my Mondeo diesel, which has a really chunky battery, and see if that makes any difference.

It is really inconvenient to get to a dealership, never mind that it would obviously have to be left with them for an extended time as they could presumably only diagnose the problem when the engine is cold.

So I am hoping that someone will be able to point me to what is likely to have changed this week (apart from the much warmer weather) that is suddenly causing the cold start problem. I'm hoping that there is something that my local garage can just replace and solve the problem. Any ideas please?
 
Update:-
I tried connecting the additional battery as well this morning. As I expected, it made no difference, either with the Mondeo not running (so battery voltage is 12V), nor then with the Mondeo running (so battery voltage is 14+ V).
As I initially connected the other battery there was no spark from the leads either, which I might have expected if the Punto battery was poor.

So I think my Punto battery is good.
 
try putting a jump lead from the battery -ative to the engine block to rule out a bad earth
I've already checked the earth cable from battery to engine block, but no harm in trying what you suggest. I've been out in it this morning so will have to leave it 'til later when it's cooled down again.
Cheers
 
Update:-
I tried connecting the additional battery as well this morning. As I expected, it made no difference, either with the Mondeo not running (so battery voltage is 12V), nor then with the Mondeo running (so battery voltage is 14+ V).
As I initially connected the other battery there was no spark from the leads either, which I might have expected if the Punto battery was poor.

So I think my Punto battery is good.

When connecting the jump leads did you put them to your car battery, incorrectly, or did you put the negative to the block?

Cheers

SPD
 
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