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Ok folks, for some time now I've been trying to understand some of the "stuff" around how the modern ECU controlled petrol engine works. Not the mechanical stuff, like pistons, crankshaft, valves, camshafts etc, but the way in which the electronic units interact with the engine. So I thought I'd run this past you all in case I've got it all wrong? Please do feel free to comment freely.

As I see it, in general, There will be an engine. an ECU (sometimes more than one). Sensors (coolant temp, O2 sensors, MAP/MAF, Knock, TPS, etc) which send signals to the ECU. and Actuators (Fuel injectors, throttle body stepper - if fly by wire, etc) these are devices actuated by the ECU to directly influence the engine running parameters ie. RPMs, mixture, etc.

The ECU will have a fueling map program (let's forget about ignition at this time) embedded in it's memory which is approximately right to make the engine run. It will allow enrichment for cold starts and a basic mixture control for hot running. This is why the engine will continue to run if you pull the plug off the MAP sensor (for instance). What it can't do though is to "fine tune" the parameters so that maximum economy and minimum emissions are achieved.

This is where the "clever" stuff starts. From a cold start the ECU will be "watching" the signal from the coolant temp sensor to indicate normal working temperature has been achieved. Up 'till now the ECU has been controlling fueling from the embedded fueling map alone - this is "open loop". When the ECU detects the coolant temp sensor signal is satisfactory it will go to "closed loop" operation. In open loop the ECU will largely be deciding fueling from the throttle position (via it's sensor - TPS) and the signal from the MAP (or MAF if it has one) sensor. The TPS tells it how fast you want it to run the engine and the MAP/MAF allows it to calculate the volume of air being ingested so how much fuel is needed to be injected to achieve this. In closed loop it's still doing this but now it also looks at the O2 (Lambda) sensor signal which allows it to "fine tune" the course settings.

So how does it do this? First thing to understand is that the Oxygen sensor (I'm not looking at wide band fuel ratio sensors here - still learning about them in case I ever get my Civic!) is like a wee battery which can produce about one volt of electricity and it does this depending on the amount of unburnt oxygen it senses in the exhaust gasses (it is located upstream of the catalytic converter so is "sniffing" unadulterated exhaust gasses as they leave the cylinders. The sensor needs to be REALLY hot before it will work) A richer mixture will send it towards the 1 volt and a weak mixture sends it towards 0 volts. In practice it fluctuates around once to twice a second between around 0.9 and 0.1 volts. Difficult to pick up on a multimeter, you really need to graph it with a scanner (MES is ideal). So the ECU is trying to achieve an air/fuel ratio of around 14.7% air to fuel (this is by weight so you're talking a lot of air to very little fuel). This ratio uses all the oxygen to burn all the hydrocarbons in the fuel so minimum pollution occurs.

But why does this voltage fluctuate? Well, it's the ECU trying to achieve the 14.7% ratio. Lets say the mix starts to drift slightly rich? the voltage from the O2 sensor will start to rise, the ECU "sees" this so cuts back the fueling by a very small amount on the next injection and it continues to do this miniscule cutting back on each subsequent injection until it starts to "see" a weaker mixture indicated by the voltage falling. If the voltage falls too much the ECU will enrichen the mixture again and so it goes on with the swing being as I said in the above paragraph (around 0.1 to 0.9 volts).

Now we come to fuel trims and this is where I am in my climbing of the ladder of knowledge at this time. I believe these very small fueling adjustments (measured in %ages) are what present as "Short Term Fuel Trim" (STFT). and you can watch them real time to get an idea what's going on with the fueling. There is also "Long Term Fuel Trim" (LTFT) and my understanding of that is that it's the baseline from which the ECU is calculating it's fueling so you would expect to see it at or very close to zero on an engine in good mechanical condition which is working well. However if the STFT is consistently, just for example, tending towards the rich side and the ECU can't pull it back with the very small fuel variation it can achieve undet STFT it will then, after trying for a while, reset it's LTFT to the average richer figure and the STFT settings will then be zeroed on the new LTFT?

So, form a fault finding point of view I think you can say that LTFT should be around Zero on a good engine. If however it's showing, again for instance, around 15, maybe 29% or whatever, you've got a problem. If it's +20% then you're rich, if -20% then you're weak. so you can start looking for maybe leaking injectors, inlet gasket leak etc?

So what do you think everyone? am I deluding myself or have I got the "stick" by the right end?
 
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Another interesting line of investigation is how to actually view these fuel trim values.

I have two scanners, both PC based. VCDS which is a near dealer level tool for looking at VW group vehicles primarily but also, handily, includes a free generic OBD reader. The other is Multiecuscan (Our forum members seem to shorten this to MES) which is, I believe, about the best tool at a reasonable price you can buy for Fiat/Alfa vehicles.

I can link up the Generic OBD scanner to my boy's Astra and see the Fuel Trims displayed. Same with the Bosch ECUs on the VAG stuff. However this scanner will not "talk" to the Fiats. No problem though because I have MES - I bought it specifically to do the family Panda and my boy's Punto - but MES doesn't display anything called Fuel Trims, either short or long term!

I've been in conversation with Grant at Gendan and several others on here but no one seems to know the answer except to say that the Magnetti ECUs perhaps don't seem to allow it to be displayed. Think they call it something else? I have a few theories about this but I'll stop here until/if I hear back from anyone who might know?
 
Another interesting line of investigation is how to actually view these fuel trim values.

I have a few theories about this but I'll stop here until/if I hear back from anyone who might know?

Thanks for your support PB.

So the question is does MES let us view these values and if so how?

Of course I'm interested in the Panda (which is a 2010 60hp 1.2 8 valve, so no "fancy" VVT) and the Punto Easy (which is a 2012 1,4 8 valve with VVT). Looking at the parameters on both vehicle specs via MES there's one which absolutely leaps off the screen at you: Lambda Sensor Integrator. The descriptor the program gives is pretty much describing a fuel trim and the Panda's screen, in simulate mode, show it as a %age. You would expect to see a fuel trim displayed as a percentage.

The only difference between them is that the Panda descriptor describes it as long term whilst the Punto's says it's short term? I think taking some live real time readings should let me sort that out.

Interestingly the Panda's simulation, a wee bit further down the page, displays "Mixture Correction Learning Value" - also shown as a %age. Could the "Integrator" be the STFT value and this "Learning Value" be the LTFT?

Disappointingly for this theory, the Punto's simulation screen doesn't give the "Learning Value" option! Pity?

I don't think I can learn much more without playing about with the car itself and seeing if these parameters produce any recognizable figures.

So that's where I'm at up to now, I'm finding this absolutely fascinating but rather frustrating as we have my youngest boy's family living with us whilst their house extension is completed. Their house is unlivable in - no gas, water, only sporadic electricity, so I'm finding it difficult to find time to "play" with the cars and keep the grandchildren entertained.
 
Whilst we are on the subject, I've also been exploring downstream O2 sensors and what to expect them to be outputting. The downstream sensor being mounted into the exhaust after the Catalytic converter. Again I should set the scene by saying we are talking about the more common Zirconium type used in our wee Fiats.

It's interesting to know that, on the Panda at least, the upstream and downstream sensors are the same and interchangeable which can be useful when troubleshooting.

I set off to find out about downstream sensors some time ago. Up 'till then the only car I'd really had any need to look at this sensor output was on my boy's Astra when it very nearly failed it's MOT on emissions. I knew that the downstream sensor's output should be pretty much flat lined if the Cat is working properly but that was about all I knew. The VCDS generic OBD scanner allowed me to graph the sensor output which showed a slightly wavy trace at roughly .5 volts. I never really got much further with it because he just continued to drive it (business car needed every day) and it had passed it's MOT so he didn't care. There's a long story to tell about that car in the last year, but nothing really relevant here so we'll duck out of that one for now.

Some time later, but before covid shut us all down, I connected MES to the Panda and graphed the No 2 (downstream) Lambda sensor output. It was pretty much a dead straight line which was very pleasing but it was right up at the top of the graph, so indicating around the 8.5 to 0.9 volts. Not really understanding what I should be seeing here, and with the Astra displaying around 0.5 volts (which, in my ignorance, looked much more likely) I found this disturbing and started worrying about possible engine damage being caused by wrong mixture.

I chatted both here and on line with a couple of folk - in particular thanks to you all but especially Jack - Jackwhoo - and Grant at Gendan who sorted out my thoughts. So, as I understand it, The downstream, No 2, Post Cat, or whatever you call it, O 2 sensor is "watching" the gasses coming out of the Catalytic Converter. The Cat is doing it's utmost to reduce all the harmful gasses to carbon dioxide and water and uses any "free" oxygen to help in this so, if your Cat is good and your engine is emitting well controlled burnt gasses to it, you would not expect to see much, if any, unused oxygen in the gasses coming out of the Cat. Remember the sensor works on oxygen so if it doesn't see any oxygen it interprets that as a "rich" mixture so outputs high voltage. So, in fact, my straight lined 8.5 to 0.9 volt graph line was just what you would hope to see. Means the Cat is good and probably the sensor too. Remember the engine and sensor must be fully up to working temp to test. I like to drive around for about 5 miles or so to make sure everything, including the oil, is fully up to temp before taking any meaningful readings. I don't believe in just letting an engine idle 'till the fan cuts in. Your engine oil will still be relatively cool.

I don't think that the post cat sensor has much effect on engine running, mostly it's there for emission compliance reasons. It will light up your engine check light if it sees an oscillating output - like the upstream sensor's - which would indicate a failed Cat. I have read though that it may have a small effect on engine control on some vehicles but so far I've been unable to find any info on that. So I think we can safely assume that it's not going to have any measurable running effects on our simple Fire engine'd Panda/Puntos?

I think I've pretty much exhausted (pun intended) my knowledge in this area now so I'll shut up now and hope to hear from some of the Forum's knowledgeable members with additional info/advice. Please do feel very free to comment, you won't hurt my feelings if I've misunderstood something about this complicated subject.

Next thing for me is going to be getting my head round how to use this knowledge to fault find. I'm especially interested in going systematically through our Panda checking every component to see if it's in spec. Currently I'm suspicious of the MAP sensor just from the way the car drives. The car has displayed a very slight reluctance to pull strongly on large throttle openings. She's been like this all the time we've owned her. Mrs J notices nothing and thinks the car drives very well, in fact she just loves her and will always choose her over my Ibiza every time. Have to say I really enjoy driving her too - but I'll take the Ibiza down to Devon every time!
 
'Morning everyone. As this thread is now 3 days old I thought I'd just try a wee "nudge".

My current "passion" is for diagnostics and although I am still a bit of a learner, I find the whole subject fascinating. So I was hoping that this thread would have been busting out with people suggesting things to me? (diagnostic related of course!) - But the silence is deafening, which has surprised me.

So, anyone got a diagnostic tale to tell here? Are most of you using MES? (I think probably most people do but I've seen mention of a few others). Has anyone tried scanning a Panda/Punto with a different (not MES) scanner. If so did you see whether it gave you access to fuel trims?

I'd love to hear from anyone who is using a different, more generic, scanner as I'm thinking of buying a more universal tool so I can have access to a wider range of vehicle brands. I'd like one that runs on my laptop and gives more than just engine OBD access.
 
Might have to think about diagnostic stories, to ensure interesting, informative and not boring.

Meanwhile, have you seen this guy on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRjaOD5qf8k&feature=em-uploademail

He is very good at thinking things through, rather than just getting stuck in. That latest video is a good example of how it is easy to see an effect, such as a destroyed turbo, but takes more thought and skill to diagnose why it failed.

From my earliest days in a small garage, I was prompted to think why the failure had occurred, and never assume old age or normal wear & tear, although not to discount those either. In my time with a major parts supplier, in the warranty department, a great deal of effort was spent trying to get garages to diagnose causes. Repeat failures suggested they were not good at this.
A Ford Sierra engine, overheated and seized, after only 1000 miles. Strangely, the original engine also seized, but had covered over 100,000 miles, so was assumed to be old. I would suggest a well worn engine has greater clearances and takes more to make it seize. A small hole in the heater matrix was a significant factor I think. Not a valid warranty claim.
The Ford CVH engines fitted to Mk3 Escort, Fiesta and some Mondeo, prior to getting electronic engine control had a distributor on the end of the camshaft. Sticking out horizontally, its little bearings had a lot to do. The float of the shaft, and wear to the advance mechanism conspired to advance the ignition early, popping holes in pistons. When the replacement engine fails the same way, why would you think the engine was the cause? The engines we supplied, from Vege, a brilliant company in Holland, had labels in various places with warnings and instructions. On the CVH, there was a warning insisting the distributor should be checked, and the advance curve checked, especially if the original engine had holed a piston. Printed in several languages. Shame how a garage, a large franchised dealership, replaced the engine three times, on their own workshop van, before a visit from myself highlighted the issue. The distributor rattled like a maraca, and advance fully almost off tickover. Oops!
 
Pugglt Auld Jock
another you tube warrior. This explains STFT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WnM_NsOtd8
the guy is interesting a scientist not a car mechanic. A biochemist, in fact last vid i seen was about corona virus, an hour and 9 minutes went in 15.
Because of his vids I looked on MES and couldnt find fuel trims.
I have a Obdlink SX useb cable from Gendan and when i plug into the van with my android phone (to check AlfaOBD) it downloded Obdlink generic obd software which include STFT and LTFT. I have not run it yet will eventually after lockdown. Van is a Ducato motorhome Euro6. Not currently the vehicle to be seen in running up the dual carrigeway.
 
Thanks so very much for that Oneandonly. It's those two, Lambda Sensor integrator and Mixture correction learning value that interest me too. I think they are the MES version of Short and Long term fuel trims. Only trouble is I don't think one of them (can't remember which one) comes up as an option on one of our cars. I'm still very involved with my investigations though - which are somewhat curtailed due to the cold weather just now and I really should get the thermostat fitted to the Panda and the radiator fan resistor fitted to the Punto first. Although the Punto is probably not missing it's "fine control" of it's radiator fan in this Baltic weather! Kicking myself I didn't take it with me on Saturday when I did his battery swap over.

I find it very interesting indeed that your generic OBD reader/scanner does display trims. Because we have a multiplicity of different makes in the family I'm looking at a more wide ranging diagnostic option purchase, prossibly one of the Foxwells, although I like the big screen display on the laptop. It would be nice if whatever I buy does give trims on the Fiats.

PS Re the lambda signals, Is the van a diesel?
PPS Yes Schrodinger? I've a lot of time for what he says. In fact I've subscribed to his you tube channel. Quite like Eric the car guy too.
 
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By the way, over the years I've bought a number of technical books about diagnostics, some extremely technical and needing some very expensive investment in equipment to take full advantage of. If, like me, you are fascinated by this subject but can't afford all the "gear" then there's one book I bought very recently which stands out head and shoulders above the rest: OBD11 Diagnostics Made Easy by Stephen (Steve) Cook:https://www.amazon.com/OBDII-Diagnostics-Made-Easy-Stephen/dp/1726085546 It does presuppose a certain level of understanding about components and how they work but no more than most reasonably informed enthusiasts would know already and what you don't know it explains in what I think is a very understandable way. The big thing though is it majors heavily on the use of scanners/code readers. If I had to throw away all my books but one this is the one I would keep!

Here's a very interesting interview he gave when the book came out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8pmLI-eCXs
 
I find it very interesting indeed that your generic OBD reader/scanner does display trims.

PS Re the lambda signals, Is the van a diesel?
PPS Yes Schrodinger? I've a lot of time for what he says. In fact I've subscribed to his you tube channel. Quite like Eric the car guy too.

The van is a Ducato diesel 2.3 130 euro6
the generic OBD reader has trims but i tried running the van today it worked ok on obvious things engine revs, temperature but the trims stubonly stayed at zero. May try it on my UP (petrol) and Fabia (diesel) just to prove the xxx thing works. Any idea where the trims are on Vagcom VCDS sorry, never delved too far, only on stuff all ready on forums.
PS its cold out there so i wont be out there for long.
 
The van is a Ducato diesel 2.3 130 euro6
the generic OBD reader has trims but i tried running the van today it worked ok on obvious things engine revs, temperature but the trims stubonly stayed at zero. May try it on my UP (petrol) and Fabia (diesel) just to prove the xxx thing works. Any idea where the trims are on Vagcom VCDS sorry, never delved too far, only on stuff all ready on forums.
PS its cold out there so i wont be out there for long.
Please understand I'm well out of my comfort zone when trying to talk with any authority about diagnostics but - I'm pretty sure diesels don't use Lambda (oxygen) sensors? (non of the ones I've worked on have them) Because they control their fueling directly and always "suck" in a full cylinder charge of air they will be running with excess oxygen under all but full throttle I think, so an oxygen sensor is not going to work? So trying to read fuel trims on a diesel is a pointless exercise?

I've had my copy of VCDS for years but only used it for pretty simple stuff. Mainly because I never had need to explore "deeper" stuff. Until I bought the Ibiza in 2016 I had used it to look for DTCs and reset service intervals etc on the diesels we owned (my 1.9VE engined Cordoba - very "old school" - and the 1.9PD engined Fabias. My older boy's 1.6CR Fabia I only ever saw when he had an emergency - like when he ran the front pads through to the metal on a Sunday morning). I did once use the injection graphing to adjust the pump timing on the VE engine, with great success. So far I've only had it hooked up very briefly to the Ibiza, which is a petrol, just to look for fault codes last time I serviced it (which was the first service out of warranty) - I reset the indicator using the dashboard buttons, so I haven't looked for anything like fuel trims etc. You'll just have to stir it about 'till you find them!

I do use the embedded generic OBD reader on the other cars though and it definitely shows fuel trims, but, very annoyingly, this generic reader in VCDS refuses to communicate with the Fiats!

Do keep on letting me know how you are getting on with things and especially the outcome from hooking up to the UP and Fabia. - I'm learning too and every little bit helps! Is the Fabia a PD? If it is do you know about the injector loom problem? We fell foul of that one and it's not difficult to sort but had me fooled when trying to diagnose it.

Regards
Jock
 
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been out to chemist to pick up meds so warmed Up! up and played with 3 generic readers.
The OBDlink (usband bluetooth) Torq (demo) and car scanner(demo) bluetooth. All 4 worked with STFT, LTFT and revs. The car scanner only allows 2 pids at a time. The OBDlink software is conciderably faster on USB than bluetooth (lag between changing throttle and see graph changes. on a quick look around Torque lite is a vgood freebe £4 for pro upgrade, with addons available.
I'm no guru either but at least you are talking to me.
The Fabia is a 2010 1.6 tdi with DPF
do you know about the injector loom problem?
No what that about.
I previously had an A4 that i had to replace the injector loom (after 3 years of just erasing the code, very intermitant) cut it out and warm up the new one with an hair drier to achieve the 90 degree bend on refitting.
Any idea on what parameters are worth monitoring on a regular basis or even a snapshot to know expected values of given sensors. (specifically for diesels but petrol will do)
need to read the book you mention. is there much on diesels?
 
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been out to chemist to pick up meds so warmed Up! up and played with 3 generic readers.
The OBDlink (usband bluetooth) Torq (demo) and car scanner(demo) bluetooth. All 4 worked with STFT, LTFT and revs. The car scanner only allows 2 pids at a time. The OBDlink software is conciderably faster on USB than bluetooth (lag between changing throttle and see graph changes. on a quick look around Torque lite is a vgood freebe £4 for pro upgrade, with addons available.
I'm no guru either but at least you are talking to me.
The Fabia is a 2010 1.6 tdi with DPF
do you know about the injector loom problem?
No what that about.
I previously had an A4 that i had to replace the injector loom (after 3 years of just erasing the code, very intermitant) cut it out and warm up the new one with an hair drier to achieve the 90 degree bend on refitting.
Any idea on what parameters are worth monitoring on a regular basis or even a snapshot to know expected values of given sensors. (specifically for diesels but petrol will do)
need to read the book you mention. is there much on diesels?
Thanks for that. Personally I like to be hard wired via USB - the thought of loosing communication whilst doing something important scares the pants off me!

1.6 tdi Fabia. So that'll be the CR engine like my boy's Fabia Scout had. Whereas your older A4 would have been, I'm guessing, a 2.0 litre PD engine (or maybe a 1.9?) You seem to know all about the injector loom shorting/connector problems on the PDs and I'm afraid I'm not going to be much use to you with your CR engine as, by the time my boy had bought it he'd moved out and bought a house for his new family on the other side of town not a stones throw away from AVW our local VAG indy garage - which just happens to be owned by the husband of a family friend - so he took the car there for anything "complicated" and to be honest I'm glad he did because almost right away it stuffed it's EGR up and I went in to see what was going on and it did not look a nice job to do! Apparently EGR problems are common on them - sorry! Mostly I got involved with stuff like doing pads/disks/oil and filter changes etc. Never had to sort any of the several problems he had with it, he just took it round to Alan's garage. In the end the DPF cracked up it's welds and tried to fall off. The cost of a new one was horrendous so Alan took the old one off for us and welded it up. By now he'd spent more money on this car than any he'd ever owned - and it was the newest car he'd ever bought - so he part exchanged it for a new Kia Rio with it's 7 year warranty. It's just had it's 3rd birthday and is being looked after by the dealership to honour warranty commitment "just in case". So far it's been faultless.

I've pretty much given up on diesels now a days, not because they don't interest me but because I find them expensive for parts and more difficult that petrols to work on (although Direct Injection Petrol engines are trying to "catch up" with them!) The Kia is now the only diesel in the "family fleet" and there are 4 more years of warranty on it still to go. Steve Cook's book leans pretty heavily towards petrol engines (not surprising I suppose being an American author) Most of the info in it is generic with only a few manufacturer specific examples. Don't let that put you off though because so many of these sensors are pretty generic in what you can expect by way of output values etc and the book gives lots of examples of these. I suppose I've been "piddle diddling" around trying to get serious with diagnostics for about the last ten years, taking tiny wee shuffling steps forward. This book has let me take several very large steps all at once. I now think I properly understand how all the common components interact - what is influencing what etc - and I can intervene looking for values without worrying too much that I'm going to short something out or sitting scratching my head because the graphed result I'm seeing is not what the book says it should be. I do like graphing sensor outputs, Thanks MES for letting me do that!

What Parameters to monitor on a regular basis? I think running through everything whilst the engine is running well and recording values shown for future comparison might be worth doing. I've not really thought of doing this so you've caught me out a wee bit with that. Mostly, of course, a modern ECU will throw a DTC for you to look at if it's not happy with something. In this instance you always need to remember the ECU is just reporting what it "sees" and what it is most likely "seeing" is that the signal it's expecting from a particular component is outside expected parameters. It, the ECU, doesn't have the slightest idea if this is due to the component itself, a problem with the wiring loom or maybe a bad connection inside a plug connector, or something else more subtle perhaps. That's your job. Don't just throw a new component on, jolly good way to waste money! It gets more interesting/difficult when something is happening that doesn't throw a code and that's where being able to graph live data is great. I'm into that with the Panda at present. It has a very slight hesitation when asked to accelerate on small throttle openings - No DTC's stored and Mrs J doesn't know it's not "right" - and it's been like that for over a year. It's also had a failed thermostat for longer than that (I'm ashamed to say - lots more important stuff to do) so It's running quite cold. It's likely this will be affecting fuelling so that may be all it is but I'm going to get Mrs J to drive it whilst I check all the outputs and then do the same when I've changed the thermostat, which is lying on my workbench at this very moment.

Well, I don't know if I'm being helpful or not? please just ask away if you think there might be something else I can help with.
regards
Jock
 
your link to the delphi info was appreciated. Any stuff simular.
the DTC is not always indicative of where the problem may be. To be registered i believe they have to be repeated, sometimes one code prevents another, a problem can lie just under the threshold for a code but effects MPG or something important. A classic ducato ABS failure is registered in the engine ECU as a communication failure not in the ABS ecu. These are some of the reasons to continuosly monitor certain parameters especially in marine environments.
 
Until i recently retired i was a process engineer in the semiconductor industry. The flavour of the decade is TPM. Total preventative Maintenance. The gist of which is understand your equipment and process and replace parts/equipment before they fail. so monitor and understand. Hence my interest in constant monitoring. The trick with tpm is knowing what to monitor (chemical and mechanical interdependancies) and how to reduce human interference in good running, eg in our case poor driving style like running a DPF diesel on low "economical" revs.
Diagnosing problems before they throw a code. How foolish am i. Or was i just bloody good at my job.
So right now I am very much in the information collection phase how do modern diesels work and how simple is the UP! ?
 
Until i recently retired i was a process engineer in the semiconductor industry. The flavour of the decade is TPM. Total preventative Maintenance. The gist of which is understand your equipment and process and replace parts/equipment before they fail. so monitor and understand. Hence my interest in constant monitoring. The trick with tpm is knowing what to monitor (chemical and mechanical interdependancies) and how to reduce human interference in good running, eg in our case poor driving style like running a DPF diesel on low "economical" revs.
Diagnosing problems before they throw a code. How foolish am i. Or was i just bloody good at my job.
So right now I am very much in the information collection phase how do modern diesels work and how simple is the UP! ?
Hmm? Preventative maintenance certainly strikes a chord with me in that I do regular engine oil and filter changes and change transmission oil at around 50,000 miles even if no change interval is recommended. Brakes are inspected at least yearly and freed up/lubricated as necessary. I could go on - I definitely considerably exceed what is called for in the service voucher listing. As you say the trick is getting to know your particular vehicle so you can monitor the things most likely to give problems. For instance on the Pandas keeping a very regular eye on coolant level - metal water pump pipe in particular - and rear axle spring pans is a good place to start.

I suspect though that your experience in the electronics industry means you are coming at this from a somewhat different point of view? You're probably thinking of what can be watched with diagnostic equipment? So now we're getting well out of my comfort zone and I'm scratching my head more than just a little. I suppose lambda sensors would be one as they do sometimes fail in service. As they age their rate of switching slows down - in fact you can sometimes actually hear them switching by listening to the engine idle which will increase and decrease very slightly as the upstream sensor switches high/low/high/low etc. If it starts switching significantly slower than once a second or so? it's probably on it's way out? they can also blow their internal heaters which will often light up the check engine light. Post cat O2 sensors can fail too but won't affect engine running much if at all. So what else could we look at? On petrol engines how about fuel trims? If the long term fuel trim starts adding or subtracting values then you've got a fueling issue - often a vacuum leak, but can easily be other things. Modern diesels I'm not so hot on but DPF's are constantly being held up as the "bad boys" and the ECU monitors pre and post Cat/DPF pressure differential I suppose you could monitor that?

An ongoing rolling program of individual component monitoring? Hope you've got a lot of spare time on your hands? Replacing parts before they throw trouble codes which, after a bit of detective work on wiring etc, will let you be more sure that they are at fault, might turn out to be a rather expensive exercise. Personally, as long as the vehicle is driving well, all my mechanical checks are ok, she's passing her MOT without advisories and a regular scan with MES doesn't throw up any DTCs then I'm happy.

However I'd be very interested to hear, especially with your industrial background, what your thinking is with respect to what you might be thinking - maybe, being as how I like getting dirty and hitting things with big hammers - I've misunderstood your question. Looking forward to hearing more from you. Kind regards. Jock
 
Jock you are on the right track with my thinking.
There are commercial marine systems doing precisely this. I read a paper recently where a fleet of taxis in india were monitored using a standard OBD2 ap for 2 years. No sensible conclusions reported other than its a good idea, just a cheap academic student paper.
I have been playing about with an Arduino (microprocessor) to monitor Battery SOC state of charge, Solar charging in my Motorhome. I have previously used one in a Mazda Bongo to monitor (and save to SD card) temperature in 6 places around engine and gear box. This along with one on a mates Bongo with a suspect blown head and removed Thermo stat allowed me to write a program that could also diagnose a sticking thermostat and blown head gasket. The bongo 97 diesel is a damn site simpler than a euro6 Ducato. The bongo forum also had a lot of knowledge on how the coolant system worked. I have time on my hands and the need to keep the brain working.
The intention was to spend upto 6 months travelling in europe. So having read Motorhome forums and possible problems, I decided to start on this strange quest.
What is going to cause the most grief ? how to mitigate the risk
1 No spare wheel as standard . answer design hanger get local blacksmith to fabricate, buy wheel problem solved.
2 engine : Take diagnostic sofware with me remove the language problem
3 engine spares : Acertain high risk components (eg sensors) not thinking of a spare gearbox
Monitoring engine running could be as simple using Torq on android or if i'm really bored and find info on Fiat PIDs use an arduino on the OBD2 port. My Samsung tablet could be used for this as i currently have to use a phone to show GPS speed as the Ducato speedo in motorhomes with high swivel seat is known to be difficult to read. Sorry to be going on.
PS i'm also a cheapskate so not likely to spend money if the data is not strong enough.
 
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