hi all i need front fog lights on my car as the headlights on my car is rubbish.

i have read all the threads on the forum but still havent come across someone who has actually dont it on a JTD

the problem i have is the best place to put them is in the bottom grill on the both corners of the grill but there is a problem with that and it is that the intercooler is there and i cannot block it off.

so has anyone here actually done this or even found a solution.

before people question this and why would i need them as it is not foggy is that i travel on narrow back roads all the time as i live out in the country side and cannot have my full beam on all the time.

all the family members have got them standard so its ok for them.

currently i have got the hid lights on the car and about to change the bip bulbs to see if that will help abit but i am really after fog lights.

i have seen universal ones on ebay like this one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230691076...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_2285wt_1102

or
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170564524...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_2552wt_1102

and was hoping i could mould them into the bumper, BUT i have seen cars done like this and look TERRIBLE

so what would be the best solution guys and ??????

i have seen some wiked ones that will go in the intercooler grill but cannot as it need the air going into it and i am not prepared to move the intercooler.

any ideas people, i know you lot will come up with a solution

You don't have the curve lights in the light cluster? I know some models came without.

I have the curve lights on pretty much (green light on the dash), as I too drive on narrow back roads. But I've never missed the fogs, as they tend to light up too much right in front of the car and daze my focus forward.

I'm pretty sure those LED's aren't going to add much light as thier main purpose is to be seen by other drivers not illuminate the road infront of you.

This may interest you.
https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo/258058-spotlights-infront-actually-front-grill.html

Here's the end result. Unfortunately the chrome trim I purchased to fit around the lights was too small so I used an old door seal I had lying around.
https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo/271475-stilo-bumper-lights.html

My car is a 3 door 115 JTD Dynamic and has the auto adjusting headlamps with the headlight washers. Well, I have been searching for the ones with the curve in it but no result. Plus I am only after real fog lamps but their problem in that is that the stilos didn't come with any.

shadeyman that looks exactly what I am after but without the black around them. In your opinion do they really make a big difference as stilo lights are not the best. My fiat bravo lights were much much better than the stilo.

Chris017 said:

shadeyman that looks exactly what I am after but without the black around them. In your opinion do they really make a big difference as stilo lights are not the best. My fiat bravo lights were much much better than the stilo.

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The Jag fog lights have a wide flat beam and can be adjusted vertically using the adjuster screw on their rear so I aimed them down to concerntrated the light 2 to 20 meters infront of the car. I've installed Osram Nightbreakers into the high and low headlight beams so everything further than 10 meter is well lit.

YES, thay make a big difference on twisty country roads, being able to easily adjust them vertically helps alot too, hence the flexible rubber trim surrounding them.

You don't want fog lamps you want driving lamps that come on with the main beam OP

Most Easterly Pandas said:

You don't want fog lamps you want driving lamps that come on with the main beam OP

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But Driving Lamps are basically spot lights. The OP doesn't want spot lights and can't use his main beam all the time.

Chris017 said:

before people question this and why would i need them as it is not foggy is that i travel on narrow back roads all the time as i live out in the country side and cannot have my full beam on all the time.

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These would be a quick easy solution, both for less than £20, just mount them infront of the grill.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RING-MINIATURE-MINI-HALOGEN-FOG-LAMPS-SPOT-LIGHTS-/220876745766

Im not following. You cannot legally run fogs / spots / driving lamps during normal driving, the only exception is fogs when visibility is below 100meters.

Op what's wrong with your dip beam headlights? Others don't have this issue, even those with factory fitted HIDs like yours.

Most Easterly Pandas said:

Im not following. You cannot legally run fogs / spots / driving lamps during normal driving, the only exception is fogs when visibility is below 100meters.

Op what's wrong with your dip beam headlights? Others don't have this issue, even those with factory fitted HIDs like yours.

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Fogs and spots(driving lamps) are used everyday during normal driving so why are they not legal?

As long as the lights are fitted in accordance with any legal requirements they can be used whenever the driver see's fit to do so(ie. when not dazzling other road users).

Using fog lights on a Stilo to light the road automatically turns off the low beam so by using the factory fitted fogs you loose the low beam. By installing seperately switched fogs both the low beam and newly installed fogs can be used. Perfect for driving down dark country lanes.

My friend had the same problem as the OP so others do have this problem.
https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo/258058-spotlights-infront-actually-front-grill.html

Shadeyman said:

Using fog lights on a Stilo to light the road automatically turns off the low beam so by using the factory fitted fogs you loose the low beam.https://www.fiatforum.com/stilo/258058-spotlights-infront-actually-front-grill.html

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Nope. I can use the Stilo's original fogs (curve lights) and low beam (normal driving lights) at the same time. Or I can switch to park lights and fogs, which look really cool. High beam (long lights) will only work with either fog or low beam.

my front fogs work with sides and dipped beam but if I switch main beam the fogs go out. ive never needed to use the fogs as visibility has never been below 100m

can somebody please explain to me what 'driving lights' are...

I've not heard of them yet and I've been in the game for 10 years!
at the front you can have

Side Lights (sometimes called Parking or Outline)
Dipped Beam
Main Beam
Indicators
Fogs
Spots

we all know what the first 4 are for but there seems to be a hell of a lot of confusion about Fogs and Spots let me clear this up

Spots are used in addition to Main Beam lights as a way of getting more light onto the road afaik they dont have a beam pattern and are purely for flooding the road ahead with light.

Fogs are used for reduced visibility situations (heavy fog/mist/cloud where visibility is LOWER THAN 100 meters) they have quite a flat, narrow beam pattern which is designed to illuminate whatever is in front of you and a fair way off to the sides. Fogs are typically placed low on the front profile of the vehicle to aid with better illumination (with the stilo they seem to be aimed slightly downward to reduce glare)

any improper use of lights is illegal ie fogs (front or rear) when visibility is above 100 meters and high beam/spots in street light lit areas.

Rally competitors use banks of 4 spots when driving in dark conditions and are usually set up with 2 'Near' lights and 2 'Far' lights. the nears used for focused illumination of a certain direction in front of the vehicle and the fars used to flood the rest of the area. you can have this setup on a road vehicle from a legal point of view but they can ONLY be used as/with main beam

Morty Mort said:

Nope. I can use the Stilo's original fogs (curve lights) and low beam (normal driving lights) at the same time. Or I can switch to park lights and fogs, which look really cool. High beam (long lights) will only work with either fog or low beam.

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Obviously, I should have been more specific.

If your driving down a dark country lane with your high and low beams on and need to turn on your fogs on for some extra light to the sides and directly in front, the low beam will automatically turn itself off. So by installing seperately switched fogs your able to use high, low and fogs to light your way. I've done this and it makes a big difference.

richydraper said:

at the front you can have

Side Lights (sometimes called Parking or Outline)
Dipped Beam
Main Beam
Indicators
Fogs
Spots

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You can also have "Cornering Lights" which are use when making a turn, usually activated by the turning signal(indicators).

richydraper said:

can somebody please explain to me what 'driving lights' are...

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High beam or anything connected to it is a driving light, ie spot light.

Wikipedia said:

"Driving lamp" is a term deriving from the early days of nighttime driving, when it was relatively rare to encounter an opposing vehicle. Only on those occasions when opposing drivers passed each other would the dipped or "passing" beam be used. The full beam was therefore known as the "driving beam", and this terminology is still found in international ECE Regulations, which do not distinguish between a vehicle's primary (mandatory) and auxiliary (optional) upper/driving beam lamps. The "driving beam" term has been supplanted in North American regulations by the functionally descriptive term "auxiliary high-beam lamp". They are most notably fitted on rallying cars, and are occasionally fitted to production vehicles derived from or imitating such cars. They are common in countries with large stretches of unlit roads, or in regions such as the Nordic countries where the period of daylight is short during winter. Many countries regulate the installation and use of driving lamps. For example, in Russia each vehicle may have no more than three pairs of lights including the original-equipment items, and in Paraguay, auxiliary driving lamps must be off and covered with opaque material when the vehicle is circulating in urban areas.

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richydraper said:

can somebody please explain to me what 'driving lights' are...

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A Nordic countries term actually. Lights we use when vehicle is at speed (we drive) - simple as that.

I've not heard of them yet and I've been in the game for 10 years!
at the front you can have

Side Lights (sometimes called Parking or Outline)
Dipped Beam
Main Beam
Indicators
Fogs
Spots

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Great info. It will be easier for me to explain aswell.

What's the difference between dipped and main?

we all know what the first 4 are for but there seems to be a hell of a lot of confusion about Fogs and Spots let me clear this up

Spots are used in addition to Main Beam lights as a way of getting more light onto the road afaik they dont have a beam pattern and are purely for flooding the road ahead with light.

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Are spotlights the same as main beam, but in addition to the OEM setup?

Fogs are used for reduced visibility situations (heavy fog/mist/cloud where visibility is LOWER THAN 100 meters) they have quite a flat, narrow beam pattern which is designed to illuminate whatever is in front of you and a fair way off to the sides. Fogs are typically placed low on the front profile of the vehicle to aid with better illumination (with the stilo they seem to be aimed slightly downward to reduce glare)

any improper use of lights is illegal ie fogs (front or rear) when visibility is above 100 meters and high beam/spots in street light lit areas.

Rally competitors use banks of 4 spots when driving in dark conditions and are usually set up with 2 'Near' lights and 2 'Far' lights. the nears used for focused illumination of a certain direction in front of the vehicle and the fars used to flood the rest of the area. you can have this setup on a road vehicle from a legal point of view but they can ONLY be used as/with main beam

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The 2 near spots usually have ref 17.5 each and is wider than than the 2 far spots at ref 37.5 each which has a much longer and narrow beam.

Lighting offences - Prosecutable:

Show red light to front
Show light other than red to rear
Vehicle fitted with unauthorised warning beacon
Vehicle not fitted with specified obligatory lamps
Specified obligatory lamps not correctly fitted
Optional lamps do not comply with regulations
Unlit projecting/overhanging load
No additional side marker lamps
Lamps, reflectors, rear markings not maintained
Hazard warning devices not maintained
Fog/Reversing lamps not maintained to prevent dazzle
Lamps not positioned - poor visibility/dark
Lamps not positioned - lit area stationary/dark
Failure to use headlamps on an unlit road at night
Headlights/front fog lights unlit - poor visibility
Lamps not showing steady light
Failure to fit obligatory warning beacon
Failure to use obligatory warning beacon
Obligatory lamps and reflectors obscured

Lighting offences - Verbal warning (i have known £30 fines to be handed out):
Misuse of lamps/headlamps/rear fog lamps/hazard warning device/optional lamps
Dipped beam - aim not maintained to prevent dazzle



Dipped beam


Main beam


Spots are used in addition to Main Beam

also the MAXIMUM legally permitted power of incendecent lamps, for use on public highways, fitted to cars, in the UK is:-
Side : 5watt
Dip : 55watt
Main: 65watt
fog: 65watt
ind: 21watt
you can have different brighnesses of incandecent bulbs but remember light output (lumens) is different to power (watts).

Im am personally unfamiliar with 'ref' as a measure of light power/output but im assuming 17.5 is pretty close to our 55watts

cheers guys. well i find that my dip beam are really really ****. for some reason i can only just see in front of the car.
they have been raised up to the maximum the mot guy will allow but they are sh*t.

so the only solution first of all is to change the bulbs, but i would like front fog lights.

i dont care if its illegal to use them when there is no fog as the roads i go on are really bad so i need them, PLUS when a car comes the opposite way I WILL TURN THEM OFF so they pass , then put them back on as i have done with all my other cars.

just to clarify one thing. the standard hid bulbs are what watt and what k?

maybe things will be fine with new bulbs.

is there any way to stop the lights from auto adjusting, as when i turn the lights on they go up and down then stop.

Chris017 said:

i dont care if its illegal to use them when there is no fog as the roads i go on are really bad so i need them, PLUS when a car comes the opposite way I WILL TURN THEM OFF so they pass , then put them back on as i have done with all my other cars.

is there any way to stop the lights from auto adjusting, as when i turn the lights on they go up and down then stop.

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So if you'll be turning them on and off why not jsut use the main beam seeings as that is what thats there for

No the auto adjustment can't be stopped, thats a legal requirement for HID units.

Shadeyman said:

Fogs and spots(driving lamps) are used everyday during normal driving so why are they not legal?

As long as the lights are fitted in accordance with any legal requirements they can be used whenever the driver see's fit to do so(ie. when not dazzling other road users).

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They are illegal if not used with compliance of relevant laws, IE visability less than 100 meters to use fogs, and driving lamps / main beams not used when people are coming towards you.

Driving lamps are perfectly legal as long as they're used correctly, and having them on when people are coming towards you is not using them correctly and is illegal.

I've got driving lamps on 2 of my Classic Panda's. They're additional lights to complement the main beam, they're not supposed to be used with dipped beam as an everyday light when driving about with people coming towards you, only when there is no-one ahead of you.

OP - Replacement HID burners / bulbs will probably be the best bet first. 35watt I believe they are but am not 100% sure. In regards to K colour, go for the whitest one

cheers. well i only used them at night before and as there is hardly no traffic where i live it is fine, but i know where you and everyone is coming from about you're not ment to use them in normal conditions. Its just when it is really raining and and you need that extra light then you just have to use them.

well i have seen you u tube the difference in colors of the lights and the whitest ones give off a lot of light but it is hard to fine the correct ones as they also go very blue and i dont want that. i have done a thread about the bulbs and had very good information from people.

so in your opinion you would go for the whitest ones and they should make a hell of a difference????????

Im am personally unfamiliar with 'ref' as a measure of light power/output but im assuming 17.5 is pretty close to our 55watts.

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Interresting thread. Rules and regulations might differ from country to country. We are allowed in Norway to have 480 lux total on the main beam / spotlight combination. That's where the "REF" comes from Mr. Draper. 480 lux is 100% or ref 100. Each of the main beams on the Stilo has ref 20, so 40 in total - you can see the number by the E-mark of the cluster if I remember correctly. Earlier (until last year) it was only allowed with 360 lux or 75% of the max lux. That's where the ref 17,5x2 comes in to add up the total to ref 75 (20+20+17,5+17,5).

If you look at spotlight cardboard boxes and the glass of any new spotlight cluster, you will see markings of either 17,5 og 37,5 - the reflectors are different. I can't add 2x37,5 as this in addition to the 2x40 will exceed the max allowed lux.

I have now ordered a set of 100 watts bulbs to fit into my new Hella spot lights. It is not completely legal, but they are to be shut off when a vehicle approaches anyway, and operates with the main beam stalk. But I have a feeling that I will end up at about 480 lux with 55W main beams and 100W spot beams - without having done any physics.

Curvelights, fogs and dipped beam doesn't come with reference numbers and therefore don't count in with the lux total.

Chris017 said:

cheers. well i only used them at night before and as there is hardly no traffic where i live it is fine, but i know where you and everyone is coming from about you're not ment to use them in normal conditions. Its just when it is really raining and and you need that extra light then you just have to use them.

well i have seen you u tube the difference in colors of the lights and the whitest ones give off a lot of light but it is hard to fine the correct ones as they also go very blue and i dont want that. i have done a thread about the bulbs and had very good information from people.

so in your opinion you would go for the whitest ones and they should make a hell of a difference????????

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Not sure if these help much

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I've not had a car with HIDs but I'd be going for 5000k I think if I did.

@Chris:- im pretty sure we covered this in your HID thread, aswell as your bulbs being on thier way out didnt we advise that the reflectors were known to be a little on the crap side? we also covered the hid power which is 35 watts and you wanted maximum usable light output i think we advised to go for close to the 4200k as they transmit around 3200lumens (higher than any other temp of HID) forgive me if im wrong.

@Mort:- these curve lights you speak of... i know there is a option on new Volvo trucks where if the fogs are on and the indicators are put on, the spot light on only that side illuminates to aid with visibility around the corner. is this what your curve lights are or am i mistaken?