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Hi all,

Im 17, and was planning on getting a Seat Leon 1.9 tdi 110 for my first car. However, these are like gold dust to pick up for under 3 grand (my budget) so whilst trawling through auto trader, I came across the Fiat Stilo. The 1.9 JTD caught my eye and I now hope to get hold of one.

Whats peoples opinions on these? I ideally want to make it go faster, as the 1.9 Leon's are highly tunable and this is why I wanted one. I see there is a re-map available for the Stilo. Has anyone got this? What other things can be done to them to squeeze a bit more power from them?

Another thing, what size wheels do people put on the Stilos? 18 inch? Or are these too big and 17 is fine?

I know the JTD engine is a great engine so there shouldnt be any problems there. Are there any things too look out for when buying one though?

Sorry for the bombardment of questions lol

Cheers.

Rob
 
Agree'd. Are you sure you can cope with a powerful car?

The Stilo (any model) is a good choice of first car. Big enough, good looking, low insurance group. But maybe you should consider the lower powered models, you get just as much driving enjoyment, save a few quid, and you learn a lot more about how to drive well. :)

But if your heart is set on a JTD then far be it for me to knock your dreams. :)
 
Haha, insurance is fine. Only group 5, I got insurance on the Leon and thats group 7! I work and earn good money and can afford it fine. Live at home, got nothing else to spend it on.

I think I can handle the power lol...I drive my mums Mazda 323 1.6 16v and find that too slow! Has no mid range power what so ever. I'm not a mad boy racer at all so I think ill be fine. Been racing karts since I was 8 so have car control etc. Im not saying that means i'm not gonna crash, but it definately helps lol
 
im afraid to say that car control is nothing like kart control to a degree.... especially when it comes to the stilos handling which can be a bit comic at times :D.... in all fairness id keep the car standard for a good while before remapping it etc... especially as your gonna be a new driver on the roads (y)

in all fairness though... its your car so you are allowed to do what you want to it :D
 
Crossy20 said:
..I drive my mums Mazda 323 1.6 16v and find that too slow! Has no mid range power what so ever.
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What do mean too slow :confused: Too slow for what ?

It's a very bad idea to view the public highway as to how you might view a karting track (n)

Michael Schumacher did plenty of karting and I believe his very first car was a little Cinquecento. He just got in and drove it :devil: and I don't think he was heard to moan it wasn't fast enough!
 
hm if i'm not mistaken his current family car is a chroma and that ain't a ball of fire either (apart for the 200 bhp 2.4 diesel :ROFLMAO:) and it's not a rule that the first car is written off either (only had minor scafs on rear bumper.. but that does seem to be an exception.. so best of luck but, as everyone else with any sense, my advice is to keep it standard and to go for a small engine.. even the best engines require break-in when they are new.. so do the drivers.. no exceptions.. and your mom would be happier ;))
 
Argonought said:
What do mean too slow :confused: Too slow for what ?

It's a very bad idea to view the public highway as to how you might view a karting track (n)

Michael Schumacher did plenty of karting and I believe his very first car was a little Cinquecento. He just got in and drove it :devil: and I don't think he was heard to moan it wasn't fast enough!
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It has no torque what so ever! Put your foot down in 4th, and it takes a lightyear to get up to 70.

lol I dont view the road as a karting track as I know how easy it is to have an accident and how quickly circumstances can change. But it's always nice to have a bit of "ummmph" under your right foot for overtaking etc. Which is why i like the idea of the JTD. Not lightning fast, but smooth and refined enough for everyday driving and theres always a bit extra if you ever need it. I'm not a chavvy boy racer that hangs round the car park everynight thumping out songs which shake the car. I have enough money to buy a decent car so I thought why not.
 
Crossy20 said:
Which is why i like the idea of the JTD. Not lightning fast, but smooth and refined enough for everyday driving and theres always a bit extra if you ever need it. I'm not a chavvy boy racer that hangs round the car park everynight thumping out songs which shake the car. I have enough money to buy a decent car so I thought why not.
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If you've got the money then you'll love the JTD although I suspect you'll find it a mite bit faster than you're expecting ;) (y)
 
Argonought said:
If you've got the money then you'll love the JTD although I suspect you'll find it a mite bit faster than you're expecting ;) (y)
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agreed, will find it alot faster than you think and as not been on the road long you may also find your self in situations you are not able to cope with all too well, karting experience or no karting experience that is a fact. the more power you have the more temptation you have to use it and you may just find yourself trying to squeeze round tight gaps overtaking and actually find there not to be enough room or for pc plod to be round the next corner with his speed gun. either way it could end up being a bad experience for all involved.

i do suggest that you get yourself an old banger for a year or two just to learn the ways of the road better and get used to driving round the other twits rather being the twit.
 
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To be honest you will find it quick enough and besides if you remap it then your insurance will surely go through the roof.

leave it well alone for the first year, and i wouldnt bother with 18"s and saying that i just got rid of 17"s as they cost too much in fuel and ride is far too hard.

But yes the JTD is a peach of a engine and the best of the stilo range me thinks.
 
Hope you don't take too much offence at everyone saying that you need to take things easy for the first year and forget the remap but ultimately we've all been there at one time, done some stupid things and speaking from experience, been lucky enough to get away with it. As for JTD, I think you'll be surprised, I don't believe it needs remapping really for modern driving because it has enough torque for overtaking, the roads are too busy to do it safely in a lot of circumstances and you don't need speed to cruise and pose(y)

Just chill, get some claws on it, debadge it and let the others admire as you cruise by, so much better watching others stare.
 
Haha, thanks for the replies guys.

This forum is completely different to the Seat forum im on. I posted a message on there a month or so ago saying that i was planning on getting a 1.4 Leon. I was persuaded not too as it was too slow and i'd be alot better off getting a 1.9 tdi lol. I was then told the 1.9 VW engine is highly tunable and a re-map will make a world of difference and i'd love the power lol. Then i could get bigger injectors, a hybrid turbo and a FMIC and i'd be looking at 180bhp. I was buzzin. That made me get my heart set on a 1.9tdi. Then i saw the 1.9JTD and thought hmmmmm........:chin:
 
A 1.4 Leon is underpowered for sure.

But at 17 do you really wanna be going down the route of FMIC, hybrid turbo etc. I know group 5 is a low insurance group but with modifications most insurance companies wont want to know.

And these days any accidents they will be all over your car, any excuse for not paying out (and rightly so if you didnt declare it).

I owned a supercharged UK MX-5 when I was 23/24 with 2yrs NCB, and that I found very difficult to insure (IG 12 1.8-16v about 190bhp), let alone at 17 with none.

If you are dead set on getting one of these cars buy one and keep it standard and when you get older tune it then, it will feel like giving your car a new lease of life and will be cheaper than buying another car.

Lots of new drivers come on here with similar ideals, which is why you didnt get the response you wanted and as much as you would hate to admit it, they are right.

If you are looking to spend £3k go for a stilo over a Leon. £3k for a Leon 110TDI with decent SE trim is gonna be pushing it, and you will end up with a high milage sh*tter. You will be able to buy a newer Stilo with less miles and more spec and still have a few quid left over.

Just be careful what you buy
 
danhans115 said:
A 1.4 Leon is underpowered for sure.

But at 17 do you really wanna be going down the route of FMIC, hybrid turbo etc. I know group 5 is a low insurance group but with modifications most insurance companies wont want to know.

And these days any accidents they will be all over your car, any excuse for not paying out (and rightly so if you didnt declare it).

I owned a supercharged UK MX-5 when I was 23/24 with 2yrs NCB, and that I found very difficult to insure (IG 12 1.8-16v about 190bhp), let alone at 17 with none.

If you are dead set on getting one of these cars buy one and keep it standard and when you get older tune it then, it will feel like giving your car a new lease of life and will be cheaper than buying another car.

Lots of new drivers come on here with similar ideals, which is why you didnt get the response you wanted and as much as you would hate to admit it, they are right.

If you are looking to spend £3k go for a stilo over a Leon. £3k for a Leon 110TDI with decent SE trim is gonna be pushing it, and you will end up with a high milage sh*tter. You will be able to buy a newer Stilo with less miles and more spec and still have a few quid left over.

Just be careful what you buy
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Yeah, for 3 grand, a Stilo is the much better option. I'm suprised at what I can get for my money tbh!

I won't modify it for a while, as I understand the insurance issues; and i'll admit, 115bhp is PLENTY for a 17 year old. But perhaps once I have a year or so experience, and if i still have the car, a few upgrades may be made. Just see how it goes.
 
I would hold off the more "serious" mods on the Stilo. It wont handle them, the electronics are too highly strung to allow such massive modifications and run reliably. A remap is more than sufficent on these cars.
 
BEEP BEEP BEEP :p

one of the things i remember about my stilo occasionally (for boot open warning and going round a corner to sharply)... i kinda miss it :cry::eek:

it is a good car... and if looked after will look after you (y)

mine never gave me any major issues.... it had its defects....

well when i first bought it i needed a new body computer and a few months after a gear linkage... and then it went through 2 intercooler air hoses.... but these are expected... and 2 new horns :p (i work in an area thats quite easily flooded)....

it was also perfectly specced :)
 
I got my Stilo Multiwagon 115 when I was 18. Everybody thought the car was too big and fast for me, but aslong as your confident in your ability, you'll be fine.

I think the Stilo JTD is a brilliant first car to get, so much for your money at insurance group 5 compared to other similar performance engines at group 7 onwards. They also provide great performance and economy.

The engine really doesnt need any tuning. Its quicker than most cars out there. Maybe consider tuning when you're 25 onwards when it will be cost effective.
 
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But perhaps once I have a year or so experience, a few upgrades may be made. Just see how it goes.
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Trust me. A year won't mean anything when making upgrades, to your insurance company. You'll still only be 18.

My 1.4 16v is more than enough at the age of 20, and I'm someone who does over 20k a year ;)

So a standard JTD should be ample enough for you (y)
 
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