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There are seperate sections on the site to talk about ICE, Bodywork, Satellite Navigation, Security etc. but there's no specific section for those that like to tune/modify their cars to swop idea's, info and show off their creations. I know many on here(myself included) consider Blue Neons and dustbin sized exhaust pipes a waste of time but many others like these things so how about we give them an area to play in, might visit it myself if some serious tuners use the area(remaps, turbo upgrades etc.). Many modifications are universal and not model specific so I think a Tuning & Modifying section would be benificial to like minded members.

Do you think the site should have a Tuning & Modifying section.

1. Yes
2. No
3. Don't Care.
 
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custard said:
tiresome
the original poster is to blame if you feel the need to have someone to blame
still waiting on you providing input with a list
"the tuners" dont seem very vocal on this thread
all we are asking is for a list of what is generally considered tuning.
Dave knows fne well its been a point of contention before
its easy to snipe but not so easy to provide answers
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Its tiresome how certain MODs are doing everything in their power to prevent what could be a brilliant addition to the forum.

Your a MOD, use some common sense instead of asking for other people to do your job for you by providing lists, pathetic!

There are some good tuners on this forum but with atitudes like yours no wonder they don't want to post.

ben said:
Off topic much?

For the people that wanted the Tuning section, you aren't really helping much in bringing it about.
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And I suppose the MODs are? They're pathetic!
 
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Shadeyman said:
Its tiresome how certain MODs are doing everything in their power to prevent what could be a brilliant addition to the forum.

Your a MOD, use some common sense instead of asking for other people to do your job for you by providing lists, pathetic!

There are some good tuners on this forum but with atitudes like yours no wonder they don't want to post.




And I suppose the MODs are? They're pathetic!
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so you are saying you have no input in what goes into the tuning section?
thats fine. I'm happy to decide for you
however bear that in mind when you are then reporting posts that i have decided is tuning
 
Mod isnt an acronym Shadey, it's a contraction ... Moderator

As such it is their job to Moderate the forum ie. to uphold the rules and enforce them where necessary. You asked for this section of the forum to be implemented, it's not unreasonable for the site admin (Ben) to ask what you expect the contents of this section to be. If you went to a (web, software, furniture, etc) design company and asked them to create you something they'd ask you for a list of requirements, this is no different.
 
Eklipze3k said:
Mod isnt an acronym Shadey, it's a contraction ... Moderator

As such it is their job to Moderate the forum ie. to uphold the rules and enforce them where necessary. You asked for this section of the forum to be implemented, it's not unreasonable for the site admin (Ben) to ask what you expect the contents of this section to be. If you went to a (web, software, furniture, etc) design company and asked them to create you something they'd ask you for a list of requirements, this is no different.
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He has and I've told him. (y)

But ultimately its the tuners themselves that should make the decision by posting what they think is relavent.
 
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Shadeyman said:
He has and I've told him. (y)

But ultimately its the tuners themselves that should make the decision by posting what they think is relavent.
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And as you can tell by ben asking, he still needs more input. We are trying to develop a concrete guideline as to what 'Tuning' does and doesn't constitute.

Where are these tuners that you speak of? Do you mean people who want their cars tuned? Or perhaps those companies/people who are capable of tuning cars? For my mind, a tuner is the latter. The former is a revhead :D
 
bludvl_x19 said:
And as you can tell by ben asking, he still needs more input. We are trying to develop a concrete guideline as to what 'Tuning' does and doesn't constitute.
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Guidelines yes, concrete no.
Some simple guidelines and a little common sense is all thats needed. However, it can be made to look much more complicated than it is by those that wish it.

bludvl_x19 said:
Where are these tuners that you speak of? Do you mean people who want their cars tuned? Or perhaps those companies/people who are capable of tuning cars? For my mind, a tuner is the latter. The former is a revhead :D
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It wouldn't supprise me if they dont post anything after seeing the atitudes in this thread.
 
ben said:
Off topic much?

For the people that wanted the Tuning section, you aren't really helping much in bringing it about.
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what's the point if mods are determine to kill it again before its even got off the ground, you asked us members what to put we told you then a mod says things like brakes/suspension upgrades shouldn't be in there.

its madness to add more power with out thinking of how you are going to keep that power on the road.

surely we could just be talking to you and mods can keep their ideas for you in the mods area so there is not too many cooks?
 
dave said:
what's the point if mods are determine to kill it again before its even got off the ground, you asked us members what to put we told you then a mod says things like brakes/suspension upgrades shouldn't be in there.

its madness to add more power with out thinking of how you are going to keep that power on the road.

surely we could just be talking to you and mods can keep their ideas for you in the mods area so there is not too many cooks?
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so far you haven't even been to the shops
give a list of what's included
not some vague idea
you have the tuning section yet are still crying.
If you can't grasp whats being asked then go and ask your "tuners"
Or we shall move what we see fit
you see you can't quite grasp you are being asked what you want, but cant quite get over picking an argument
now you seem to have decided mod(remember we are still members) input isnt worthy of being heard
 
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I know I was against this section when the idea was first proposed as I didn't see a need for it but - now that it's here - I have to agree with an earlier post - as long as the modification(s) is/are to improve the performance or handling then I'd consider it tuning, otherwise it's Styling and can stay within individual vehicle forums (as styling options are vehicle specific - bodykits, alloys, etc). As long as the moderator (whoever that may be, I'm guessing that's you at the moment custard given what you said earlier?) tries to stick within that guideline I can't see a problem, and as said if there's anything that doesn't seem to fit it can always get reported.
 
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Eklipze3k said:
I know I was against this section when the idea was first proposed as I didn't see a need for it but - now that it's here - I have to agree with an earlier post - as long as the modification(s) is/are to improve the performance or handling then I'd consider it tuning, otherwise it's Styling and can stay within individual vehicle forums (as styling options are vehicle specific - bodykits, alloys, etc). As long as the moderator (whoever that may be, I'm guessing that's you at the moment custard given what you said earlier?) tries to stick within that guideline I can't see a problem, and as said if there's anything that doesn't seem to fit it can always get reported.
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I think Ben is taking the section just now
however as I cover all sections anyway really its still in my remit (although there's some Parkhead Paranoia going on ,google that Glasgow one)
we just want it clarified and I dont why the 'Tuners' here are struggling with this
eg I have seen posted remaps arent tuning unless its DIY
so you see how clarification is needed
some are saying anything thats adds performance
well a remap in general does

I dont really care however Im not going to listen to whining(and there would be) as to how this is/isnt tuning when theres no basic framework in place
 
custard can i just ask do you know if Ben is making the tuning section with model specific prefixes like MM?
 
dave said:
what's the point if mods are determine to kill it again before its even got off the ground,
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Dave... there's no determination to "kill it off before its even got off the ground." We just don't know what should go in there. (well I don't anyway) It probably doesn't help that I don't know anything about tuning. :eek:

I've trawled through pages and pages of Stilo threads today and re-prefixed a few as tuning but am still unsure about some others. Custom exhausts for example... is that tuning or styling? I don't know.

If you, or someone who's interested in the tuning section could just post a list of the topics you think should be in there, that would be helpful and others could copy and paste it with additions to the list.
 
neeny09 said:
custard can i just ask do you know if Ben is making the tuning section with model specific prefixes like MM?
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theres no need
if you post in Panda with a tuning prefix
then that is in the Panda section
but it will also show in the Tuning section (you will see the same sort of thing if you look in Leisure Lounge now for off topic)
So you get the post in your model section and tuning. best of both worlds
 
Davren said:
Custom exhausts for example... is that tuning or styling? I don't know.
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Altering an exhaust(Custom exhausts) alter the performance of the engine, in a similar way that altering the induction system would.

Altering either should be accompanied by a remap to reduce flat spots etc. so yes a full custom exhaust would be classed as tuning.

However, bolting a dust bin sized silencer to the end back end of the standard exhaust system and hoping for the best is styling IMO.
 
neeny09 said:
custard can i just ask do you know if Ben is making the tuning section with model specific prefixes like MM?
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Its best you post in the Tuning section and hope Ben gives us the model specific prefixes so the search function can search them. At the moment the search function will not search the prefixed threads linked to the Tuning forum and Ben can't find a way around it.
 
As Custard has said, it's me who gets the (wonderful ;)) job of moderating the new forum (at the start at least - getting someone who knows about it at a future date would be very helpful).

The other mods aren't trying to be difficult and I'm certainly not trying to kill this section, I am just really baffled. I've now put in a lot of work to get this section to be a possibility and I'd really like to move forward.

The bigger picture has to be seen - and that is most users simply won't know what Tuning is, you can see examples from this with the prefixes that have been used about the forum. It doesn't matter that the tuners know what is what, it's the users who will be posting threads in your section you don't want there.

I'll be moving them for sure - but I also need to know what's what. The mods also need to know so we can accurately prefix threads in the individual sections.

It's all well and good saying the tuners will come in and decide what is what - however, at the moment we have over 3000 threads to re-prefix, so we need to know NOW (otherwise the Tuning forum is just going to be cluttered up).

Some people have said tuning is just for engine stuff, some say it's for engine and handling things (which for most people means suspension, rollbars etc etc) and Dave's link says it is for all this - PLUS things like spoilers.

Basically it seems like a total minefield.

As I said, I'm happy to do it - but I need guidelines - otherwise there is just going to be report after report and things all in the wrong places.

Would everyone be happy, if (for now) I set it up as the following:

Tuning Threads = Anything changed on the engine to make it go faster/have more torque (inc cams, exhaust, filters, ecu mapping). I'd also say this includes "would it be possible" threads (such as the idea of a v6 in a Panda for example).

Replacing an exhaust with a new looking one (but without gains) WOULDN'T count, neither would changing the cylinder head for a red one (or stuff like that).

Non Tuning Threads = Anything else - including suspension and brakes.

... ?

If we at least start off with this, I know what I'm doing - and as more people get posting and putting in ideas, we can look to evolve?
 
ben said:
As Custard has said, it's me who gets the (wonderful ;)) job of moderating the new forum (at the start at least - getting someone who knows about it at a future date would be very helpful).

The other mods aren't trying to be difficult and I'm certainly not trying to kill this section, I am just really baffled. I've now put in a lot of work to get this section to be a possibility and I'd really like to move forward.

The bigger picture has to be seen - and that is most users simply won't know what Tuning is, you can see examples from this with the prefixes that have been used about the forum. It doesn't matter that the tuners know what is what, it's the users who will be posting threads in your section you don't want there.

I'll be moving them for sure - but I also need to know what's what. The mods also need to know so we can accurately prefix threads in the individual sections.

It's all well and good saying the tuners will come in and decide what is what - however, at the moment we have over 3000 threads to re-prefix, so we need to know NOW (otherwise the Tuning forum is just going to be cluttered up).

Some people have said tuning is just for engine stuff, some say it's for engine and handling things (which for most people means suspension, rollbars etc etc) and Dave's link says it is for all this - PLUS things like spoilers.

Basically it seems like a total minefield.

As I said, I'm happy to do it - but I need guidelines - otherwise there is just going to be report after report and things all in the wrong places.

Would everyone be happy, if (for now) I set it up as the following:

Tuning Threads = Anything changed on the engine to make it go faster/have more torque (inc cams, exhaust, filters, ecu mapping). I'd also say this includes "would it be possible" threads (such as the idea of a v6 in a Panda for example).

Replacing an exhaust with a new looking one (but without gains) WOULDN'T count, neither would changing the cylinder head for a red one (or stuff like that).

Non Tuning Threads = Anything else - including suspension and brakes.

... ?

If we at least start off with this, I know what I'm doing - and as more people get posting and putting in ideas, we can look to evolve?
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Sound ok for now but uprated brakes and suspension is tuning:) i would forgot about what dave said about bodykits ect as i cant seeing anyone on here doing anythink like it
 
there is no prefix in the tuning section :confused:

the way i read it is tunning is to enhance performance which includes:

breathing mods (intake and exhaust)

internal engine tuning modifications (pistons etc)

gas flow (inlet diameter, inlet valves and re-maps)

rebores, pistons

sport computer tuning (re-mapping, chipping and flashing)

port matching (port matching adjust the diameter of the exhaust and inlet ports to match the profile on the manifolds which is nearly always bigger)

camshafts

forced air induction (turbo charger)

fueling (injectors and fuel pump)

Performance brakes and/or suspension

All of which have to be done in the correct way for the car in question or it can reduce power.

That's how i read it please i'm trying to understand this so correct me if i am wrong.
 
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