maybe worth a section in misc... i think its an ok idea

ben said:

Been watching this to see opinions, but not many people voting...

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You have to vote?
I wonder how many people realise they have to vote?

It's quiter interesting what is happening in the middle east at the moment.
I wonder how things would have panned out if oil barons didn't have a stranglehold on inventions utilising alternative fuels?

Where's vote bar thingy?

By vote I meant put forward an opinion.... though voting new features in isn't a bad idea :chin:

ben said:

By vote I meant put forward an opinion.... though voting new features in isn't a bad idea :chin:

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I didn't realise you had to actually post a yay or nay. I assumed the ideas got read by mods who mulled it over between them.
How many others have come by & agreed with what has been said but not posted because it simply repeats someone else's post?
I don't often bother posting if it repeats a post unless I have something to add to the mix.
Is it worth, then, adding a poll to the template for new ideas & asking everyone who passes through to vote yes or no (with the option of adding a comment either way)?

These hydrogen fuel cells are amazing, you only need a tiny tank of water, i see one today and they had a van that used to do 50mpg now doing 80-90 mpg just by pumping hydrogen into the airbox, you have to have a safty device that turns it off when you stop though otherwise when you pull away you blow up lol.

the guy is hoping to eventually use them on lorrys, so is looking into running them of an alternator running off drive shaft, that will then automatic stop when vehicle has

could all these people buying start stop cars really just be guinea pigs the car industry is using to get that bit of the techs faults ironed out ready for future hydrogen cars? :chin:

Its not sustainable though. Hows the hydrogen made without using masses of energy?

Most Easterly Pandas said:

Its not sustainable though. Hows the hydrogen made without using masses of energy?

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We used to make hydrogen cells in physics at school, jamjar, two nails, water & a 6v battery.
Gas was collected from both the anode and the cathode. I think the anode gave off oxygen and the cathode gave off hydrogen.
Adding salt made the water a better conductor & swapping the nails for platinum increased the amount of gas given off.
In the scenario Dave was talking about, a container (perhaps an old washer bottle) could be secured in the engine compartment & electricity would need to come from a circuit made live by the ignition being on/engine running - you could even jury-rig a cycle dynamo to run off the alternator belt (? perhaps? maybe?). As well as adding this cell though, you would also need a remap else the lambda sensor is not going to know what hit it - instead of pulling in normal air, the engine will be pulling in mainly oxygen and hydrogen - in far higher quantities than ever before.

There are even companies out there who will add a tank of calor / butane / propane so the gas trickles into the engine. Same principle but a dearer concept.

I suppose it could work then. Re-read Daves post now (didn't realise it was a hydrogen hybrid Dave was on about, thought it was a hydrogen fuel cell).

It was also yesterday he posted it. Come on only idiots believe in brown gas. :devil:

Most Easterly Pandas said:

Its not sustainable though. Hows the hydrogen made without using masses of energy?

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it draws off 35amps

sludgeguts said:

We used to make hydrogen cells in physics at school, jamjar, two nails, water & a 6v battery.
Gas was collected from both the anode and the cathode. I think the anode gave off oxygen and the cathode gave off hydrogen.
Adding salt made the water a better conductor & swapping the nails for platinum increased the amount of gas given off.
In the scenario Dave was talking about, a container (perhaps an old washer bottle) could be secured in the engine compartment & electricity would need to come from a circuit made live by the ignition being on/engine running - you could even jury-rig a cycle dynamo to run off the alternator belt (? perhaps? maybe?). As well as adding this cell though, you would also need a remap else the lambda sensor is not going to know what hit it - instead of pulling in normal air, the engine will be pulling in mainly oxygen and hydrogen - in far higher quantities than ever before.

There are even companies out there who will add a tank of calor / butane / propane so the gas trickles into the engine. Same principle but a dearer concept.

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he did have a box attached to it with a lead that looked like it could hook upto a laptop, maybe. the water was in a little header tank, there was a box with 6 led lights on that goes in the cab, i'll have to go when there is more time to chat to him

Venters said:

It was also yesterday he posted it. Come on only idiots believe in brown gas. :devil:

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But it was gone midday.

Venters said:

It was also yesterday he posted it. Come on only idiots believe in brown gas. :devil:

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I have never seen brown gas so I guess you are correct - only idiots belive in it, but I have collected and tested 'Brown's gas' which is real.

Air is 70% nitrogen, 21% oxygen and small amounts of other gases so what, exactly is wrong with introducing additional hydrogen and oxygen into the air intake as long as you get a remap to account for the extra oxygen and hydrogen?