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Let's hope the price comes down to 'domestic levels'
Im just wondering how hard it'd be to make a DIY unit? Very interesting video.
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I have built several "brown gas" generators, but getting more than 1.5ltr/per/min is quite hard and then there is the electrical drain, needs to be less than 5amps. But it does make a difference to mpg [petrol/diesel] USA sites have quite a lot of data, also on youtube too. Storage is NOT a problem because it is made on demand only
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Re: Alternative fuels

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Even better still, if local authorities started making fuel...

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Let's hope the price comes down to 'domestic levels'


Thinking about it, this is almost like the invention we saw in back to the future 2 to power the car.
looks like it would be possible to do it from the heat from the engine
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I have built several "brown gas" generators, but getting more than 1.5ltr/per/min is quite hard and then there is the electrical drain, needs to be less than 5amps. But it does make a difference to mpg [petrol/diesel] USA sites have quite a lot of data, also on youtube too. Storage is NOT a problem because it is made on demand only
This is really nothing like the brown gas generators though. I have considered adding one to my car utilising a second washer bottle. Making the gas isn't a problem, it's that you have to tweak the settings on the car's computer to let it know it's not getting air - it's getting a higher concentration of hydrogen and oxygen than ever before so the lambda sensor (for example) will show too much O2 in the mix & add more fuel to compensate.


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Im just wondering how hard it'd be to make a DIY unit? Very interesting video.
I'm guessing that's how this guy started?
Maybe a cheapo deep fat fryer (non stick interior, lid seals on and add a tube to vent the gas via a beaker of water to condense the gas.
I wonder if the oil is suitable for blending with diesel or if it has to be refined as per the video?
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Been watching this to see opinions, but not many people voting...
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maybe worth a section in misc... i think its an ok idea
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Been watching this to see opinions, but not many people voting...
You have to vote?
I wonder how many people realise they have to vote?

It's quiter interesting what is happening in the middle east at the moment.
I wonder how things would have panned out if oil barons didn't have a stranglehold on inventions utilising alternative fuels?
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Re: Alternative fuels

Where's vote bar thingy?
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By vote I meant put forward an opinion.... though voting new features in isn't a bad idea
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By vote I meant put forward an opinion.... though voting new features in isn't a bad idea
I didn't realise you had to actually post a yay or nay. I assumed the ideas got read by mods who mulled it over between them.
How many others have come by & agreed with what has been said but not posted because it simply repeats someone else's post?
I don't often bother posting if it repeats a post unless I have something to add to the mix.
Is it worth, then, adding a poll to the template for new ideas & asking everyone who passes through to vote yes or no (with the option of adding a comment either way)?
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These hydrogen fuel cells are amazing, you only need a tiny tank of water, i see one today and they had a van that used to do 50mpg now doing 80-90 mpg just by pumping hydrogen into the airbox, you have to have a safty device that turns it off when you stop though otherwise when you pull away you blow up lol.

the guy is hoping to eventually use them on lorrys, so is looking into running them of an alternator running off drive shaft, that will then automatic stop when vehicle has

could all these people buying start stop cars really just be guinea pigs the car industry is using to get that bit of the techs faults ironed out ready for future hydrogen cars?
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Its not sustainable though. Hows the hydrogen made without using masses of energy?
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Its not sustainable though. Hows the hydrogen made without using masses of energy?
We used to make hydrogen cells in physics at school, jamjar, two nails, water & a 6v battery.
Gas was collected from both the anode and the cathode. I think the anode gave off oxygen and the cathode gave off hydrogen.
Adding salt made the water a better conductor & swapping the nails for platinum increased the amount of gas given off.
In the scenario Dave was talking about, a container (perhaps an old washer bottle) could be secured in the engine compartment & electricity would need to come from a circuit made live by the ignition being on/engine running - you could even jury-rig a cycle dynamo to run off the alternator belt (? perhaps? maybe?). As well as adding this cell though, you would also need a remap else the lambda sensor is not going to know what hit it - instead of pulling in normal air, the engine will be pulling in mainly oxygen and hydrogen - in far higher quantities than ever before.

There are even companies out there who will add a tank of calor / butane / propane so the gas trickles into the engine. Same principle but a dearer concept.
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I suppose it could work then. Re-read Daves post now (didn't realise it was a hydrogen hybrid Dave was on about, thought it was a hydrogen fuel cell).
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It was also yesterday he posted it. Come on only idiots believe in brown gas.
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