Simple question, how much power does a stock 60 put down on the road in terms of power & torque? I may get a chance to put my 60 on a dyno and I have a distinct distrust of extrapolated 'at the clutch' figures.
Oldschool said:The ones we have put on the rollers were between 57 and 64bhp.
StoneNewt said:57~64 bhp at the wheel with no compensation for drive losses? :slayer:
faster4_tec said:before I started fiddling my 60 I got 47 from a rolling road (albeit this was withou a service and it had a vacuum air leak), I wouldn't expect too much more, but as a very rough estimate take a manual transmission to loose about 10% of power and 10% torque
StoneNewt said:Oldschool, thanks for proving my very point... what you want to know is the power/torque at the wheels
Totally agree, however flywheel, or even crank, hp (or more accurately torque) is an analytical tool for 'trouble shooting' the drive train etc. When it comes down to driving all that really matters is the amount of torque delivered to the wheelsOldschool said:Ultimately it counts what you get on the wheels. All the power in the world isn't any good when it is being lost somewhere along the lines.
At the same token I would like to point out that the power on the flywheel also has got its point. When you do improvement on the engine side it is necessary to have clear figures from the transmission losses to be able to evaluate the gains. If only the wheel power is evaluated the readings might improve but no actual power gain might have been achieved on the engine side.
Also when being able to assess the drive train losses, measures can be taken to improve giving naturally more power to the wheels.
I'll restate that as I read it. Not only did the car with the 6 speed box lose less power as a percentage it also lost less power in quantitative terms (ie car 1 lost 7lbft, car 2 lost 12lbft at the same RPM)?Please note the two examples where both using the same gearbox type. The car with the 6 speed gearbox (with one more gear than the other one) did not only have less losses in percent, but also in absolute power despite the fact being the more powerful unit.