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Re: What shared the drive with your panda?

Glad you approve of one of my vehicles even if it was 'made in India!
It might surprise you to know I have been driving different Reliant's since about 1991, the one I have remaining (Bella) I drove weekly return trips to Glasgow from Plymouth for about 2 years, economy was 75mpg at 70+mph!
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I've never really been into 3 wheelers and watching an apprentice try to drive one, disastrously, on to a 4 poster lift didn't help (well, maybe a Morgan if one came along) but I do have a "thing" for the Kitten - especially the estate - or maybe a Fox? A chap I know quite well - he lived in the flats opposite our house - used to run around in an SE5. I think the SE5 was the "prettiest" of Scimitars and always rather envied him. (I'd like one with a Rover V8 in it though but still looking standard from the outside).

With my love of old British 'bikes, you'll not be surprised when I say I "approve" of the Bullet.
I looked at getting a Scimitar SE5 when I tried to break my Land Rover habit.
They are still well undervalued, easy to work on and once you work out which car the parts are from they are usually cheap.
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I looked at getting a Scimitar SE5 when I tried to break my Land Rover habit.
They are still well undervalued, easy to work on and once you work out which car the parts are from they are usually cheap.
I saw one recently in very good condition but its really not the pretty car I remember from the past. It just looks out of proportion so would not be a car I'd have today.
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I've never really been into 3 wheelers and watching an apprentice try to drive one, disastrously, on to a 4 poster lift didn't help
Two memories of Reliants. The first being trying to suspend tow one, absolutely nothing to lift at the front, had to put chains underneath, padded with old tyres to spread the load, then drive very slowly to avoid bumps tearing the front off.

Seeing one being driven towards a pit. Several of us shouted at once, driver stopped it just as the front wheel teetered on the edge. There was about six of use trying to hold it up, out of the pit as the driver reversed very slowly to avoid us all falling over and the car dropping in.

I bought a brand new Seicento Suite early 2000. Just over 7k on the road. A month later saw a brand new Reliant, which prompted me to lookup pricing. About 500 more than the Seicento. I got four wheels, a steel body, and air conditioning. Easy to see why sales of Reliants dropped off.
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The Scimitar was a proper car with wheels on each corner and a fibreglass body with considerable strength. But (IMO) not a pretty looking car.
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Two memories of Reliants. The first being trying to suspend tow one, absolutely nothing to lift at the front, had to put chains underneath, padded with old tyres to spread the load, then drive very slowly to avoid bumps tearing the front off.

Seeing one being driven towards a pit. Several of us shouted at once, driver stopped it just as the front wheel teetered on the edge. There was about six of use trying to hold it up, out of the pit as the driver reversed very slowly to avoid us all falling over and the car dropping in.
To see a 3 wheeler of any sort in the workshop was very unusual - I think most were/are owner maintained. I used to work recovery quite a bit as it meant extra money to be on standby. Luckily never had to try to suspend tow one of these! More Regals than Robins in those days.

As I mentioned a few posts above, one of our apprentices (there usually was only one but occasionally two) tried to drive one onto the 4 poster. This ramp was not flush fitted to the floor but was bolted at each corner to the workshop floor so had "flappy" ramps up to the channels which accommodated the wheels and a very substantial beam across the front. (pretty standard installation as in many workshops). The lad drove it at the ramp at a reasonable speed. The front wheel mounted the beam which launched the front of the car into the air to come crashing back down again, straddling the beam, with an impressive cacophony of noise. We all started to wander over to see what had happened but the boss chased us all back to work and the car was hauled out into the rear yard. There was oil on the floor at the front of the ramp and obviously lots of damage to the car which sat in the yard for some time and then disappeared on the back of the scrappy's wagon. The laddy didn't get "the push" which actually raised my impression of the boss considerably but it was one of those incidents which was seldom talked about and I think we were all a bit ashamed it had happened. I guess the garage's insurance covered it?
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It is inevitable in a garage environment that accidents will happen, occasionally very expensive ones. It is s tribute to the methodical work of most mechanics that these are rare.

A Metro automatic was placed face towards the bench, engine left running, bonnet up, and the mechanic was listening for the 'occasional funny noise' the owner complained about. Something the owner failed to mention was the tendency to drop into drive on its own. As the mechanic stepped to one side (luckily) to walk around to set the two-post lift to raise it so he could listen underneath, there was a clunk and the car moved forwards, burying its nose under the lip of the bench.
The car was dragged out and after adjustment of the selector cable (which was also the cause of the noise due to misaligned valves inside the box), the car disappeared into the bodyshop. Minutes later, a sign, liberated from outside somewhere, was placed on the wall above the bench. "No vehicles beyond this point".
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Becky's been entertaining a visitor since Sunday.

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My boy and his family are away on a weeks holiday and he has left his Punto (1.4 8 valve) with me whilst he's away. So far I've given it an extensive service and tried to sort the low bite point on the clutch. I thought it was trapped air which was the problem, but no! After running a good half litre of fluid through it it feels exactly the same. I think it may be the master cylinder itself but not convinced. Think I'll let it "develop" for a wee while to see if a more obvious solution presents. The clutch "bites" well and doesn't slip, just has very long pedal travel before anything happens.

I've mentioned elsewhere that I thought it had a leaky driveshaft/gearbox seal on the N/S but turns out it's actually the gearbox selector shaft seal. After reading the guide in the Grande Punto section I decided to have a go at this myself so ordered the seal and a new roll pin from our local main dealer. Identifying the items (only the two) proved quite a trial as I wasn't allowed access to the stores inner sanctum where the computer is so there was a lot of tooing and froing with printed pictures of what they thought I wanted. We got there in the end though but letting me see the screen would have saved half a rain forest! "The only one I can find is in Dundee so it'll come down on tomorrows van, should be here tomorrow afternoon". I left my 'phone number. By about 4.30 today still no call, so I rang them. Oh yes, it's here (apparently arrived around lunchtime). It hasn't held me back as I was finishing off the service work this afternoon, but it would have been nice if they'd rang.

I've now had enough time to dwell on what could go wrong whilst doing this seal (usually around 5.30/6.00 am whilst I'm still feeling dozy) as it involves removing the selector housing from the top of the gearbox - oh dear, what will happen if something falls in? but why should it? Might the selector shaft fracture when I'm driving the roll pin out - or back in. Got to remove the battery for access too so should I wire up a "saver" battery in case the radio decides to be "difficult". Oh stop it Jock!!

Jobs for the future will include a new sump and exhaust front pipe, which could be very handily done at the same time as it's best to drop the front pipe to facilitate the sump job. Oh and I noticed a wee weep from the crankshaft front seal - it was dry as a bone last year when I did the timing belt. This car is only two years younger than Becky. The bodies on both vehicles are in very similar condition but Becky's running gear is considerably more corroded. Becky has about 20,000 miles more under her wheels than the Punto.
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Re: What shared the drive with your panda?

It most likely needs a new clutch master cylinder. Mine was much the same before it was replaced.


At least the Punto parts are a reasonable cost. https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_f...inder&_sacat=0
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Becky's been entertaining a visitor since Sunday.

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My boy and his family are away on a weeks holiday and he has left his Punto (1.4 8 valve) with me whilst he's away. So far I've given it an extensive service and tried to sort the low bite point on the clutch. I thought it was trapped air which was the problem, but no! After running a good half litre of fluid through it it feels exactly the same. I think it may be the master cylinder itself but not convinced. Think I'll let it "develop" for a wee while to see if a more obvious solution presents. The clutch "bites" well and doesn't slip, just has very long pedal travel before anything happens.

I've mentioned elsewhere that I thought it had a leaky driveshaft/gearbox seal on the N/S but turns out it's actually the gearbox selector shaft seal. After reading the guide in the Grande Punto section I decided to have a go at this myself so ordered the seal and a new roll pin from our local main dealer. Identifying the items (only the two) proved quite a trial as I wasn't allowed access to the stores inner sanctum where the computer is so there was a lot of tooing and froing with printed pictures of what they thought I wanted. We got there in the end though but letting me see the screen would have saved half a rain forest! "The only one I can find is in Dundee so it'll come down on tomorrows van, should be here tomorrow afternoon". I left my 'phone number. By about 4.30 today still no call, so I rang them. Oh yes, it's here (apparently arrived around lunchtime). It hasn't held me back as I was finishing off the service work this afternoon, but it would have been nice if they'd rang.

I've now had enough time to dwell on what could go wrong whilst doing this seal (usually around 5.30/6.00 am whilst I'm still feeling dozy) as it involves removing the selector housing from the top of the gearbox - oh dear, what will happen if something falls in? but why should it? Might the selector shaft fracture when I'm driving the roll pin out - or back in. Got to remove the battery for access too so should I wire up a "saver" battery in case the radio decides to be "difficult". Oh stop it Jock!!

Jobs for the future will include a new sump and exhaust front pipe, which could be very handily done at the same time as it's best to drop the front pipe to facilitate the sump job. Oh and I noticed a wee weep from the crankshaft front seal - it was dry as a bone last year when I did the timing belt. This car is only two years younger than Becky. The bodies on both vehicles are in very similar condition but Becky's running gear is considerably more corroded. Becky has about 20,000 miles more under her wheels than the Punto.
Well you certainly are kept busy with the Fiats.
I'll have to leave you with my panda for a week and see what you can do with it!

Spent yesterday testing the cheap Chinese Webasto copy parking heater. Fired up first time and the remote control works.
Now I need to work out how to fit it.
Think it's going in an ammo box in the middle of the Land Rover second row floor.
I'm umbing it into the Land Rover fuel tank so I don't have to fanny about with an auxiliary tank.
Would like it to vent in a few directions so will have to work out some sort of tubing.

Yesterday was the day I got the gearbox out of the Land Rover and to my friend. As it was all disconnected it was a quick job in between showers. I now have to politely pester him to take a look at it as I'd like to get it back and in before the first chance if snow.

The panda seems to be running ok after the new oil, filter and fresh gearbox oil. I am getting a strange ticking from the front which may be steering or spring related but more running will hopefully help me diagnose possible solutions. They better be cheap as my car related 'spare' cash has gone for this month and October!
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It most likely needs a new clutch master cylinder. Mine was much the same before it was replaced.


At least the Punto parts are a reasonable cost. https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_f...inder&_sacat=0
Thanks Dave, that's the way my thinking is headed too. Can't think what else would give these symptoms? Could it be something to do with the release fork?

You got me quite excited for a minute there with the cylinder prices but I think the one I need is a lot more expensive:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-PUNT...DOPa#vi-ilComp
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Re: What shared the drive with your panda?

Had quite an interesting day with the Punto today but as I seem to be talking mostly about the Punto here, I'm going to move further comments over to the Punto 2012+ section.
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Re: What shared the drive with your panda?

I know the conversation has moved on but here are the Reliant's I have owned.

1978 Robin Mk1, the fastest of all, 3 figures plus and did 218,000 miles
chassis rotted out, if the internet and such were around at the time this one would still be with me.



1988 Rialto it was ok but was built during the first dying of the Reliant motor company when the engine casts were worn out etc gave me a lot of trouble sold on.



This one is a Jimp, based on a Reliant Kitten Chassis and built a s cheap works truck, only 120 were made, some of which were in kit form I rebuilt this one from the road up but sold it before on completion without driving it as I moved house.


Then there is the 1992 Mk2 Robin saloon in the background, a great little car one of my favourites, this is the one that got rammed and wiped out by an !!!XX on a dual carriageway. So I me took and passed my driving test (no instruction needed as I'd already been driving for 27 years! which led to the Panda.
The nearest is a 1998 MK2 Robin estate which is the one I still have and is a keeper. This is the refresh model until the Mk3 came out and production ended in 2001. 75mpg and 3 figure speeds




Just for Auld Jock, my Enfield



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Quote Originally Posted by DaveMcT View Post
It most likely needs a new clutch master cylinder. Mine was much the same before it was replaced.


At least the Punto parts are a reasonable cost. https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_f...inder&_sacat=0
Well Dave, as time is getting shorter (my boy needs the car on Monday night) I splashed out on a M/cylinder from my local factor. I paid just over 50 all in which seems to be a fair price from what I can see on line.

This morning the weather is still good up here, although the rain is promised for later, so I made a start on the master cylinder. On the face of it the job looks simple enough and the Haynes manual is quite dismissive about it - implying that it's easy? Disconnect the supply pipe from the reservoir. disconnect the fluid line to the slave cylinder - quite awkward due to the air con compressor restricting access to the clip, but I got it done - inside the car now. Using a screwdriver to spring the retaining clip off the pushrod pin and withdraw the "clevis type" pin itself (fiddly) then the two bolts M8 which actually hold the cylinder in place (again fiddly but no big deal). So now it should be possible to simply withdraw the cylinder through the footwell.

But no! It's completely loose and "flopping about" but can't be withdrawn because there is a whopping great plastic molding in the way:

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Those of you familiar with this master cylinder will know it has a large plastic flange:

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It's this flange which is stopping the cylinder being able to get past the plastic molding. I struggled with it for best part of 45 minutes. Finally gave up and popped along to catch the lads at Harrisons before they closed up (Saturday). Well, it seems that the later Punto's (this is a 2012) do have this big bit of plastic which the older ones don't. That explains why the Haynes manual's illustration looks different! On the earlier set up the cylinder does indeed just "pop out" after doing what I did. On the newer one this plastic molding has to be "got out of the way". The foreman was telling me they haven't done many of these ones yet and they are an absolute Pain in the Derriere! If I haven't got it done by Tuesday morning (Monday is a holiday) I'm just to take it down to them and they'll finish it off for me. What a bunch of great guys! However it would mean a couple of miles down the road with no working clutch! I've done this before on several occasions, in various cars, starting in 1st gear on the starter and judging shifts on the go, then nudge it into neutral before you need to stop, stopping the engine, back into first and ready on the ignition key to get going again. I once drove right across Edinburgh from the south side back home like this in my Cordoba, but would prefer not to have too!

So, if anyone knows how to do this cylinder removal I'd be eternally grateful if you'd enlighten me. Can't believe, after all the involved stuff I do so frequently that I've been stopped by this one! By the way, to get that molding off looks really complicated as it is BIG and extends all over the place under the dash area.
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The foreman was telling me they haven't done many of these ones yet and they are an absolute Pain in the Derriere! If I haven't got it done by Tuesday morning (Monday is a holiday) I'm just to take it down to them and they'll finish it off for me. What a bunch of great guys! However it would mean a couple of miles down the road with no working clutch!
Well, shortly after returning from the garage, my daughter in law and her daughter turned up as they had been shopping up in town so came round for a cup of tea before the drive back home out into Midlothian. The young Miss wanted Grandad to take her to the local park playground (shutes, swings, etc) and I just love spending time with her so I got cleaned up and off we went. Consequently it was this morning before I got back into this master cylinder again.

After another half hour of trying to work out how this cylinder can be maneuvered past the protrusions of the mountings which are obstructing it's removal, I have to admit I'm defeated! I just can't see it! I've pushed, pulled, twisted, levered, sworn vehemently, sat back and tried the "intelligent approach", but I just can't get it out. I'm now feeling thoroughly depressed and somewhat "emasculated" - It's been years since anything has "stopped" me!

Anyway, I've screwed the two retaining bolts back in finger tight and reconnected the push rod and hydraulics. After bleeding I've managed to get enough of a pedal - just about - to be able to drive it down to the Garage where it'll be going first thing on Tuesday morning (Monday local holiday up here). I'm hoping, when I pick it up from them, that they might be kind enough to explain exactly how this is done. If so I'll post on here again. It's dry up here just now so I'm going to calm myself down with a bit of therapeutic gardening!
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