Hi all,
I have been looking into the EPS system on the panda since I had a dash light illumination and loss of steering (cured on restart - probable fault - battery charge and connections)
I am a marine Eectronics Engineer, I retired at 47, but still do small jobs for friends etc. I want to look into the EPS side and come up with some basic fault finding methodology for normal folks at least skilled enough to use a multimeter. - my first thoughts are ....
Firstly, there are MANY places offering a cheap replacement service for a supposedly reconditioned unit. At the proces they charge (which seem quite reasonable) it is my opinion that there is very little, if anything, done to the vast majority of units apart from a strip and clean. In certain case, the torque sensor can need replacing, these are available quite reasonably, with examination of a used unit, I am sure the part(s) could be obtained at very little cost.
There are a few areas that could cause issues and the simple act of replacing a unit will, in effect, cure a lot of these issues due to plugs and connectors being removed and replaced (which can often cure an intermittent fault on it's own)
First thoughts after consulting fiat documentation and other sources.
If you have problems with the steering, check the following.
Connector from torque sensor to EPS unit (probably green cable sheath) - remove, clean with switch cleaner (NOT WD 40 ETC!!) and replace. Same for any other connection to EPS control unit (ECU).
From the EPS Control are two direct cables, a ground, to the battery, which should also then be itself connected to the body AND the engine block - (These should be removed at the battery and cleaned, small amount of vaseline, then replace, then remove and clean the engine earth and body earths, there is also a power feed coming from fuse 05. remove the fuse and check the location is clean - use switch cleaner if needed, a toothbrush is also useful. Place a tiny smear of vaseline on the blades before replacing
There is also a dashboard earth, this is an important one, it is located in the right hand side (on a LHD car) footwell. (Will try and get pictures). Also, I believe there is a ground connection near the steering column base. ! remove, clean, vaseline and replace.
The other possible culprit is the speed sensor - you may well see a warning in MES related to this !!. this is located on the gearbox near the diff. It is fed from fuse F42 so check and clean the fuse, and also the connector to the unit.
Also check and clean F24 F23 and F51 which form part of the main feed circuits for the body computer and ignition.
Refer to handbook, haynes manual and also elearn available from the downloads here.
I am sure with careful approach most problems can be cured.
Will update this as I find out more and try to get some images - forecast is for nice sunny weather next week.
ALL battery terminals and leads should be sparkling clean, protected with vaseline, and covered - if no cover, use a small amount of clingfilm to stop dust adhering to the vaseline.
As far as cleanliness and checking, same goes for all ground connections, all positive connection, alternator connections, starter motor connections.
Do all this with battery off and preferably wait 10 mins so no risk to airbag circuits.
Carefully pull connectors to main body ECU also and other engine sensors, small amount of switch cleaner, small amount of vaseline on cover, replace.
Doing this should hopefully cure 90% of all problems, and also be preventative maintenance for the future if all is good.
(Cap. Joe)
I have been looking into the EPS system on the panda since I had a dash light illumination and loss of steering (cured on restart - probable fault - battery charge and connections)
I am a marine Eectronics Engineer, I retired at 47, but still do small jobs for friends etc. I want to look into the EPS side and come up with some basic fault finding methodology for normal folks at least skilled enough to use a multimeter. - my first thoughts are ....
Firstly, there are MANY places offering a cheap replacement service for a supposedly reconditioned unit. At the proces they charge (which seem quite reasonable) it is my opinion that there is very little, if anything, done to the vast majority of units apart from a strip and clean. In certain case, the torque sensor can need replacing, these are available quite reasonably, with examination of a used unit, I am sure the part(s) could be obtained at very little cost.
There are a few areas that could cause issues and the simple act of replacing a unit will, in effect, cure a lot of these issues due to plugs and connectors being removed and replaced (which can often cure an intermittent fault on it's own)
First thoughts after consulting fiat documentation and other sources.
If you have problems with the steering, check the following.
Connector from torque sensor to EPS unit (probably green cable sheath) - remove, clean with switch cleaner (NOT WD 40 ETC!!) and replace. Same for any other connection to EPS control unit (ECU).
From the EPS Control are two direct cables, a ground, to the battery, which should also then be itself connected to the body AND the engine block - (These should be removed at the battery and cleaned, small amount of vaseline, then replace, then remove and clean the engine earth and body earths, there is also a power feed coming from fuse 05. remove the fuse and check the location is clean - use switch cleaner if needed, a toothbrush is also useful. Place a tiny smear of vaseline on the blades before replacing
There is also a dashboard earth, this is an important one, it is located in the right hand side (on a LHD car) footwell. (Will try and get pictures). Also, I believe there is a ground connection near the steering column base. ! remove, clean, vaseline and replace.
The other possible culprit is the speed sensor - you may well see a warning in MES related to this !!. this is located on the gearbox near the diff. It is fed from fuse F42 so check and clean the fuse, and also the connector to the unit.
Also check and clean F24 F23 and F51 which form part of the main feed circuits for the body computer and ignition.
Refer to handbook, haynes manual and also elearn available from the downloads here.
I am sure with careful approach most problems can be cured.
Will update this as I find out more and try to get some images - forecast is for nice sunny weather next week.
ALL battery terminals and leads should be sparkling clean, protected with vaseline, and covered - if no cover, use a small amount of clingfilm to stop dust adhering to the vaseline.
As far as cleanliness and checking, same goes for all ground connections, all positive connection, alternator connections, starter motor connections.
Do all this with battery off and preferably wait 10 mins so no risk to airbag circuits.
Carefully pull connectors to main body ECU also and other engine sensors, small amount of switch cleaner, small amount of vaseline on cover, replace.
Doing this should hopefully cure 90% of all problems, and also be preventative maintenance for the future if all is good.
(Cap. Joe)