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Re: Oil for Panda 2015 1.2l

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Indeed. I suppose the cars I had first were old skool & very easy to work on. Changing the oil & filter plus the gearbox oil was a doddle. Off topic I know, but in my day car maintenance was viewed as pleasure/hobby. Some vehicles nowadays can be a bit challenging to some & tend to get looked at only when things go wrong, & of course there is more electronic toys & distractions these days for the average motorist. Obviously this is not across the board, but what I see/read this is more often than not.

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Totally agree.
The Panda though is a lot better than others especially in the 1.2 guise. At least the diy mechanic can do general services without any real hassle.
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My oil.
How frequently do you change it? Fiat suggest once every two years or 18,000 miles (which ever comes first - with the mileage I do that would be the miles) - that seems too long. My TA doesn't seem to use any noticeable amount of oil but I don't like the idea of it swishing about in there for another 15k full of fine metal particles etc...
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Hi ,well. I just change mine once a year. About 7_9000 miles. As its easy enough to do. I am always on the look out for the oil wether its in Wilko or Tesco or Boyes.I never go to halfrauds.My last bottle was on a clearance in wilko for 8.99 bargain.
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Re: Oil for Panda 2015 1.2l

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My last bottle was on a clearance in wilko for 8.99 bargain.
The photograph you posted earlier suggests you are talking about a 1 litre bottle of Castrol Edge 5w40 for 8.99. If you have a Costco card it is currently on offer 25.91 for 4 litres (I've just bought two bottles so with the remainder I have in the last bottle I am good for 3 changes now)
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Re: Oil for Panda 2015 1.2l

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My handbook states the oil has to be to C3 spec. From what I have read this oil is for use in engines with a DPF and or a 3 way cat. I would suspect that if the engine uses oil it will be less damaging to DPF's and Cat's. The 1.2 is a well proven engine and has never been known as an oil burner......I do wonder though it is down to the use of fully synthetic oil during the bedding in stage, a semi synthetic oil would no doubt be better. Thing is no manufacturer wants to have the cost these days of a first service. So surely at 18,000 even on fully synthetic the rings will be bedded in and the C3 spec may be a bit of an overkill.
Being an old engine why do we need to adhere to this spec?
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Being an old engine why do we need to adhere to this spec?
I'm afraid I cannot answer your question on a technical basis. Oil that meets the Fiat specification is both cheap and readily available. Why would you NOT want to use it?
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I'm not saying I'd not use it, just questioning the reason why?
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I'm not saying I'd not use it, just questioning the reason why?
Is the recommended spec less viscous?
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Is the recommended spec less viscous?
The spec is 5W-40, this viscosity is available from C3, C2 and much lower specs even in semi synthetic and mineral.
I've read that C3 has slightly less lubricity than the others, just hope that C3 isn't a bag of worms that appears later in the engines life.
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Re: Oil for Panda 2015 1.2l

See this: http://www.civinfo.com/forum/engines...catalyzer.html
Makes me just wonder now about any "C" classified oil, especially in a petrol engine.
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See this: http://www.civinfo.com/forum/engines...catalyzer.html
Makes me just wonder now about any "C" classified oil, especially in a petrol engine.
Maybe it's due to lower emissions? A less sticky oil, in ideal conditions will produce less resistance and therefore slightly improved mpg? Only in lab conditions of course. In reality it probably just knackers the engine.
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Maybe it's due to lower emissions? A less sticky oil, in ideal conditions will produce less resistance and therefore slightly improved mpg? Only in lab conditions of course. In reality it probably just knackers the engine.
Yes I Agree.
Manufacturers will do everything to squeeze the lowest emissions out of their engines, for the Fire unit to comply no doubt this oil makes that needed marginal improvement as does a tyre pump and goo rather than a spare wheel.
Fiat wont care if there is wear on the camshaft lobes after 8 years or 80'000 miles as it will be way out of warranty and the no doubt on its third owner by then.
For me though this is more worrying as I intend to keep the car for 10 years barring accidents and health.
The C3 oils seem to used to improve the life of DPF's (not in a petrol 1.2 or any other petrol car I'm aware of) and three way Catalytic converters, the one in my Panda looks the same as in my 2001 1.2 Doblo did.
So is all this purely for Euro 6 emissions to get an older design engine to comply?
I'd rather have an engine that would last 150,000 miles without new camshaft, bore wear or worn bearings. I'm now looking at oil with a different view. a 5W-40 synthetic not "C" rated but ACEA B3 spec, Millers Triton would be no doubt my choice, I'll give it serious thought though.
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Yes I Agree.
Manufacturers will do everything to squeeze the lowest emissions out of their engines, for the Fire unit to comply no doubt this oil makes that needed marginal improvement as does a tyre pump and goo rather than a spare wheel.
Fiat wont care if there is wear on the camshaft lobes after 8 years or 80'000 miles as it will be way out of warranty and the no doubt on its third owner by then.
For me though this is more worrying as I intend to keep the car for 10 years barring accidents and health.
The C3 oils seem to used to improve the life of DPF's (not in a petrol 1.2 or any other petrol car I'm aware of) and three way Catalytic converters, the one in my Panda looks the same as in my 2001 1.2 Doblo did.
So is all this purely for Euro 6 emissions to get an older design engine to comply?
I'd rather have an engine that would last 150,000 miles without new camshaft, bore wear or worn bearings. I'm now looking at oil with a different view. a 5W-40 synthetic not "C" rated but ACEA B3 spec, Millers Triton would be no doubt my choice, I'll give it serious thought though.
I wonder if the switch to 0W 30 on the twin air engines was done for this reason or because of problems with the twin air units failing? Because the reason why they did it is important in choosing the oil grade.
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Re: Oil for Panda 2015 1.2l

Just asked a mate of mine in the trade, about this. Although he agrees there could be minimal wear issues it's not likely to even be noticeable in a high mileage engine. He thinks all cars servicing schedules are far to long, 10,000 miles max or once a year, he does his at 6000 miles which is around 6 months.
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