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Good evening..while driving home tonight i had 2.5c on the display which got me thinking are my factory Good years tyres really doing a good job 28800 on the miles.Does rubber working under 7.oc.?So my question is whats everyone else using..Premium,Mid range or Basement budgets.I would like to know...
 
Normal summer tyres don't work as well below 6 or 7 C as winter ones.

Winters don't just have a different tread pattern (snipes for snow and ice) but are made with rubber that has a higher silica content to allow the tyre to flex at lower temps.

So when the temps drop even without snow and ice, they'll work a lot better and feel a lot better than summers.

All tyres wear, summers and winters, the legal limit is a now well known 1.6mm. I think only a mug lets them get this far before changing them, they cannot clear the same amount of water this low.

Winters don't work well in the snow/ice once the snipes wear down (around 3mm), but will still handle the cold temps better than a newer summer and still clear enough water.

Tyres also age, too old a tyre and the rubber becomes hard and it starts to crack, it's also not as flexible as it once was and that too effects grip.

FWD cars tend to wear the fronts harder than the rears due to the fronts powering, steering and doing most of the braking, rears tend not to wear out before they get a bit too old and become hard as they just drag the arse of the car around.

Most will find the rears will do twice the mileage of the fronts, but by then they are too old to keep on the car.
I think it's best to swap fronts to back when the fronts are around half worn, this way you'll even out the wear and keep the age of all tyres even as you'll swap them all around the same time.

Goodyear is considered a good, premium brand, but like any tyre, they'll not work when worn out or too old!
 
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I'm running around on ContiWinterContact TS790 in the size 205/50R15".
It's a very good winter tire and it will be the last winter i'm using these.
Next winter i will run the all new ContiWinterContact TS 860 and will change to 195/55R15" size, because 205/50R15" is not available anymore @ Continental.
I will never compromise on winter tires, so only top premium winter tires for me.
 
I'm running around on ContiWinterContact TS790 in the size 205/50R15".
It's a very good winter tire and it will be the last winter i'm using these.
Next winter i will run the all new ContiWinterContact TS 860 and will change to 195/55R15" size, because 205/50R15" is not available anymore @ Continental.
I will never compromise on winter tires, so only top premium winter tires for me.
What do you think of the 'all weather tyres' like the ones that come with the Trekking models? I've heard that they are a good compromise in all but extreme ends of our typical UK climate window. It also means you don't have to buy two sets of tyres.
 
...different tread pattern (snipes for snow and ice)..

Shouldn't that be "sipes"?

I've just had a set of Goodyear Vector 4Seasons G2s put on the Panda 4x4 TA. Spent the last week in Sardegna - long story of the first heavy snow and icing for nearly 20 years, which caused the main purpose of the trip to not happen, but masses of flute playing and great singing with a choir of Sard friends made up for it - so have only done 20 wet miles. Will update with feedback in the 4x4 Tyres thread as soon as I have some impressions. Cost 240 pounds from Oponeo, free shipping from Germany, plus 80 quid for fitting, balancing, etc and disposal of original Continentals at local garage.
 
The GY Vector 4Seasons fitted to my Cross are brilliant. The Gen 2 versions are apparently even better.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/92866/goodyear-vector-4seasons-gen-2-tyre-review

A 100% score.

That's reassuring - having read any reviews I could find, it was a toss up between the Goodyear and Michelin options, finally decided on the GY's better winter ratings. Also, if I recall rightly, the Michelin is available in the section for the Cross but not in the slightly narrower section for the vanilla 4x4.
 
I'm actually considering putting a set on this:-

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Not that I use it in ice or snow but just for all year round reassurance, should I take it out for a freezing but sunny Sunday morning run.

Could avoid me doing this again:-

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Ouch!!!!! The Goodyears are fantastic imho - great grip, and surprisingly quiet for an all seasons tyre. They are wearing well too - lots of life left in the fronts, after 18k miles, and the rears look like new.
 
I'm actually considering putting a set on this:-

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Not that I use it in ice or snow but just for all year round reassurance, should I take it out for a freezing but sunny Sunday morning run.

Could avoid me doing this again:-

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Nasty! Did you lose the back end? I did a 360 in mine once on a wet roundabout but fortunately no damage bar a dented sump. Not sure GY V4's would have helped you there though.
 
Goudron's comment that "Normal summer tyres don't work as well below 6 or 7 C as winter ones" is not actually correct. The correct statement is that "winter tyres don't work as well above 6 or 7 C as summer ones" which is not the same. Tests done by one of the German car magazines showed that in dry conditions there was virtually no difference between the performance of summer and winter tyres until the temperature dropped to 0 - 1C. In moderately wet conditions summer and winter tyres had very similar performance down to about 3C. With deep standing water or in icy or snowy conditions winter tyres outperformed summer ones.


Consequently if you live in the south of England as I do where we have very little snow, (if any) the decision about whether you would be better off with winter tyres comes down to the proportion of time you spend driving below 3C to that above 7C. In recent years that has been true for me only during the month of January.
 
Goudron's comment that "Normal summer tyres don't work as well below 6 or 7 C as winter ones" is not actually correct. The correct statement is that "winter tyres don't work as well above 6 or 7 C as summer ones" which is not the same. Tests done by one of the German car magazines showed that in dry conditions there was virtually no difference between the performance of summer and winter tyres until the temperature dropped to 0 - 1C. In moderately wet conditions summer and winter tyres had very similar performance down to about 3C. With deep standing water or in icy or snowy conditions winter tyres outperformed summer ones.


Consequently if you live in the south of England as I do where we have very little snow, (if any) the decision about whether you would be better off with winter tyres comes down to the proportion of time you spend driving below 3C to that above 7C. In recent years that has been true for me only during the month of January.

You may be correct, but seeing as almost nobody takes enough interest in their driving over here to even think about changing tyres, the message about summer tyres not being as good below 7degC is more pertinent I think.

Cars as small and light as the Panda are perfect for the increasingly able, new technology driven all-seasons tyres like Michelin Cross Climates and Goodyear Vector 4S etc etc. If I had my way I'd make all new cars sold in Britain come with top quality All-Season tyres and then only fit something different if the new owner requests it, which would prove that they at least have the power of thought in relation to tyres. This would prevent the entire country grinding to a complete halt on the one or two days a year that we actually get snow (in particular the South of course), as the utterly hopeless dig themselves and their cars into kerbs, trees, lamp-posts and each other at the very sight of the white stuff.....

/RANT_OFF ;)
 
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