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Old 21-01-2015   #31
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Re: New Panda Trekking traction plus

I can only echo what others have said ELD and ESR are nice to have and undoubtedly icing on the cake but the real difference is the tyres. I had a Yeti 4X4 with all the gizmos the Cross has but it was only a smidgeon better on snow/mud than a good FWD car because it was on summer slicks, winter optimized tyres transformed it.

One disadvantage is that you do become a bit cocky/invincible simply because your capabilities are so enhanced. It's still important to drive smoothly and carefully otherwise you will have a "hello Mr Sheep" moment, tyres notwithstanding.

For what it's worth I think the Trekking is probably the sweet spot in the Panda range, it's the best compromise of the lot and for me the best small FWD hatch on the road.
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Re: New Panda Trekking traction plus

it makes perfect sense thank you

just another Q, in these conditions do i put the traction on asap? i realise it only works under 19mph but i drive that in bad conditions anyway.
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Re: New Panda Trekking traction plus

I've posted this before, but in case you didn't see it.


That test would have been complete if they'd had a third car , a 4x4 with winter tyres, and if they'd had an ever increasing slope angle to see at which angle each car failed to keep going.

Another test I'd like to see would be winter tyres V summer tyres in high temps, say around 25 C.
Not found a video of that, but this makes interesting reading.
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it makes perfect sense thank you

just another Q, in these conditions do i put the traction on asap? i realise it only works under 19mph but i drive that in bad conditions anyway.
I'd turn it on from the start up.
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Quote Originally Posted by deeyup View Post
I've posted this before, but in case you didn't see it.

http://youtu.be/7l2cMlNRX_A

That test would have been complete if they'd had a third car , a 4x4 with winter tyres, and if they'd had an ever increasing slope angle to see at which angle each car failed to keep going.

Another test I'd like to see would be winter tyres V summer tyres in high temps, say around 25 C.
Not found a video of that, but this makes interesting reading.
Click here

that was interesting. i also like to see winter tyres and traction,

so another Q...sorry, do you take the winter tyres off in the summer? and if so where do you store them???
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Re: New Panda Trekking traction plus

The answer is it depends. Light cars like the Panda will be perfectly happy with Winters on all year round (the Trekking and normal 4x4's are supplied with them from new after all ) and won't really suffer in the heat as the cars are so light. But a heavier car like Mrs R1NGA's Honda S2000 has a second set of wheels (cheap off eBay) with full winters that are fitted from Nov-Mar and stored in the shed at other times. But a Trekking can stay on the cold weather tyres all year as far as I am concerned.
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Re: New Panda Trekking traction plus

Fuel consumption will be a lot worse with winter tires.
Also winter tires will ware more during the summer times.
I will always choose for two sets, one summer set and one winter set.
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Fuel consumption will be a lot worse with winter tires.
Also winter tires will ware more during the summer times.
I will always choose for two sets, one summer set and one winter set.
Probably more relevant to heavier cars, but fuel consumption on the Panda will change little between tyres - the TA range of consumption is far more dependent upon driving style of course. Tyre wear will be slightly more in hot summer conditions for the softer rubber, but again it's not massive.

But the best solution is indeed 2 sets of wheels/tyres, provided you have the space to keep them. This won't cost more in the long run either, as you'll be using 2 sets rather than just the one, so the wear is spread over more tyres.

My neighbour opposite has an Audi A6 3.0 Quattro and he uses full Dunlop Winters all year round, as he can't be bothered to chop and change each winter. He reports that high speed handling is a little more 'forgiving' in the hot weather, but other than that and a little quicker wear rates, there's nothing to worry about. In fact he's just ordered a Porsche Macan on winters too, that keen he is on not having to change things around each winter!
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Re: New Panda Trekking traction plus

I also can't be bothered to change tires each winter and spring.
So i have a tire guy for that, i drink a cup of coffee and he is doing the changing, cleaning and storage of the wheels.
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this is a silly question but is it expensive to get someone to change them for you?? and Ringa you store them in a shed, any precautions you need to do for that? or are they just fine put in there....

so sorry for all these questions ive not had a decent car for years and i mean years, and i want get things right
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I do agree. Changing back from summer to stock winters made a lot of difference on my TA trekking. Consumption went up about 0,5l/100km, it's noisier and less confortable. Summers gave a much smoother ride. Can't wait to put them back

The Traction+ is awsome btw. It gives you much smoother ride then just ESC. I do recomend using it in icy/snow conditions.
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this is a silly question but is it expensive to get someone to change them for you?? and Ringa you store them in a shed, any precautions you need to do for that? or are they just fine put in there...
It shouldn't cost more than a few per corner to change them over, as they shouldn't need rebalancing. I do my own - it takes me about an hour to do all 4, but I don't have any power tools to put the wheel bolts on, and I stop for coffee!

They should be fine in a shed. Make sure you don't scuff the edges of the alloys (I put some sheets of polystyrene foam between mine) and remember to check the pressures when you refit them.

As others have said, running 2 sets of rims shouldn't cost you more over the lifetime of the car, provided you don't renew both sets of tyres just before you sell it

The main cost is buying a spare set of rims for the winter tyres, but if you use steel ones, they shouldn't cost much. I bought a set of steel rims second-hand off ebay for my DS3, and I paid under 100 for all 4, with a good set of Michelin tyres on them, which I then got over 25k miles from. Ker-Ching!
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this is a silly question but is it expensive to get someone to change them for you?? and Ringa you store them in a shed, any precautions you need to do for that? or are they just fine put in there....

so sorry for all these questions ive not had a decent car for years and i mean years, and i want get things right
I pay 57,50 Euro's for, changing, cleaning, balancing and storage, and that two time a year, spring and autumn.
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I pay 57,50 Euro's for, changing, cleaning, balancing and storage, and that two time a year, spring and autumn.
thats bl@@dy good esp the storage part, ive got a shed but not sure i really want them in there
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The storage is clean, dry and heated.
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