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Old 07-06-2014   #31
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Re: Panda 1.2 (69bhp) Flat Spot

YES- iv'e looked,
the VVT motor is typical of that type where both max figures are at least 1000 RPM higher than the conventional 8 Valve,
far less useful in my book - why I've only ever bought 8 V cars.

the fuelling is interesting;
personally I would get on the phone to the named "South Coast Garage", and see if they will enlighten you to the "updates"..,

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That's interesting. The H disappeared at 200 miles which must be when the option to use this feature switched off.
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I don't know if there's still interest in the remapping subject, but I can tell you I have a 1.2 easy and just had it done by a reputable company. One of the main reasons for finally going for it was the awful rev hang issue when upshifting, on mine it was especially bad
The higher the revs, the worse it got. It also had a flat spot which could cause stalling and just a generally vague throttle response.
The poor guy doing it had a bit of a nightmare, it wouldn't take the new map. Finally turned out it had a faulty phonic sensor which screwed up everything, took him hours to track it down.

Anyway got it done, cost £300 but so what, it's made a huge difference. No more rev hang! Hooray!
It's also sharper to drive, the throttle more responsive,no signs of any problems. Not the same car at all.
One thing to know up front is all sensors must be working, that includes the clutch switch. I should add not all remap companies will deal with the Panda,I had one say it was impossible to do!
So, there you have it, Fiat won't help, just have to sort it ourselves.
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I don't know if there's still interest in the remapping subject, but I can tell you I have a 1.2 easy and just had it done by a reputable company. One of the main reasons for finally going for it was the awful rev hang issue when upshifting, on mine it was especially bad
The higher the revs, the worse it got. It also had a flat spot which could cause stalling and just a generally vague throttle response.
The poor guy doing it had a bit of a nightmare, it wouldn't take the new map. Finally turned out it had a faulty phonic sensor which screwed up everything, took him hours to track it down.

Anyway got it done, cost £300 but so what, it's made a huge difference. No more rev hang! Hooray!
It's also sharper to drive, the throttle more responsive,no signs of any problems. Not the same car at all.
One thing to know up front is all sensors must be working, that includes the clutch switch. I should add not all remap companies will deal with the Panda,I had one say it was impossible to do!
So, there you have it, Fiat won't help, just have to sort it ourselves.
I know from my past Panda 169 with the 69 hp 1.2ltr engine in it, that the remap made a world of difference to the engine.
Went from 65hp on the dyno to 75 hp, and from 107 Nm to 122.8 Nm.
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Quote Originally Posted by Geoff 59 View Post
I don't know if there's still interest in the remapping subject, but I can tell you I have a 1.2 easy and just had it done by a reputable company. One of the main reasons for finally going for it was the awful rev hang issue when upshifting, on mine it was especially bad
The higher the revs, the worse it got. It also had a flat spot which could cause stalling and just a generally vague throttle response.
The poor guy doing it had a bit of a nightmare, it wouldn't take the new map. Finally turned out it had a faulty phonic sensor which screwed up everything, took him hours to track it down.

Anyway got it done, cost £300 but so what, it's made a huge difference. No more rev hang! Hooray!
It's also sharper to drive, the throttle more responsive,no signs of any problems. Not the same car at all.
One thing to know up front is all sensors must be working, that includes the clutch switch. I should add not all remap companies will deal with the Panda,I had one say it was impossible to do!
So, there you have it, Fiat won't help, just have to sort it ourselves.
What company did you use?
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A Devon based company, Radical Remaps, Exeter. They have a Cornwall branch too.
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What difference does re-mapping make to the insurance? As the car has a greater power output, and is no longer “standard” as factory built, surely the insurance premiums are going to go up quite a bit?
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What difference does re-mapping make to the insurance? As the car has a greater power output, and is no longer “standard” as factory built, surely the insurance premiums are going to go up quite a bit?
A couple of people I know have contacted their insurance before getting a remap done and have had mixed results. One was asked for the details of the tuning company who was known to the insurance company and it made no change, the other refused to insure the car if the job was done so he got it done without informing them. That in my mind is stupid as if he has a crash the first thing they'll do is get the ECU map read!!!
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Hi.
Surely if the phonic wheel sensor was faulty then the car would have had running issues anyway? Did the EML light come on at any point and was there any codes stored?
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Hi.
Surely if the phonic wheel sensor was faulty then the car would have had running issues anyway? Did the EML light come on at any point and was there any codes stored?
The 'Phonic Wheel Sensor' is the pickup mounted next to the crank pulley and 'reads' the passing of the timing blocks on the outside of the pulley wheel. This is the most fundamental part of the entire ECU timing system and I'm surprised it's not a black&white function thing - it either works and the car runs, or it doesn't and it doesn't.

Having said that, if there was a problem with the parameters for the Max-Min rev range (the magic Phonic Wheel Re-Learn), then it would probably have had an impact on the process.

FWIW, I totally agree that a proper, professional live-data remap on the car itself is pretty much guaranteed to improve the running and how it drives, as it will optimise the setup for that particular car, the fuel you use and the climate, rather than having to cater for every possible operating environment and usage as the stock ECU maps do. Most insurance companies (at least those that have some engineering reference and who properly understand the process) give little weighting to a remap when applied to a normally aspirated engine, at least in my experience.

Top job and well done all round as far as I am concerned
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