General Panda based kit car pics a little later than promised...

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General Panda based kit car pics a little later than promised...

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Hey Panda fans. Following up on my newbie post, here are the pictures of my Panda based kit car, the Road Rat.

Just click the link; I've created a quick web page which is much easier to link to than post a load of image urls.

http://www.area99.co.uk/Road_Rat

Feel free to discuss and ask questions. In the meantime, I have a couple of questions of my own:

As you can see in a couple of the pics I have a set of Cinq Sporting wheels for it. I've fitted them using the Panda wheel studs but I'm wondering if there are proper alloy wheel studs I should be using?

Also, as you can see in the pics, the Cinq wheels are still shod with Cinq standard size tyres. What size tyres do I need to fit to them to maintain the Panda wheel rolling diameter?

Cheers in advance for looking and hopefully answering my questions.
 
Morality aside, the project does look to be coming on nicely and I'm quite interested to see the final product.

With regards to the wheels, I'm pretty sure you'll be wanting 155/65/13 tyres on them, although 165s aren't a problem. I've got 165's on my Panda steelies, and the 65 profile seems to be the most commonly used here.
 
Thanks for the comments guys. To take the points raised so far in order:

1. christopher watson
Apart from the huge hole in the body under the windscreen, the extensive underside welding repairs and the rotten drivers side door, nothing. Mechanically it was excellent and therefore a good choice to rebuild my kit with since the body is surplus to requirements.

2. Steve
For a man with over 10,000 posts to your name I'd have thought forum etiquette would be second nature. A simple and polite question like Mr. Watson's would have elicited a simple and polite response. Before accusing people of anything you should at least have some basis for your accusations. Is it kit cars in general you disdain, or just this one?

3. FuzzyPanda
Thank you for the information. I haven't measured the Cinq wheels and thought they were 14".

4. christopher watson again
I don't mind if the tyres cost a bit. I'm going for a rugged look with the finished kit and will be putting chunky treaded tyres on at the end of the rebuild. Currently I have 8 wheels with good tyres on so won't be needing to buy any standard ones for some time!
 
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:) it's not quite the styling that they had in mind when designing it... and to tell you the truth it's a little like lookingat a panding without the exterior panels... not the prettiest of models.

but I am quite interested to see the finished item... and I don't mind the occasional rusting panda being used to a better end than spare parts...

If the under carraige is anything to go by then it's going to bemint when it's back in one piece.
 
Tony M
Agreed. It's not a pretty car by any means but it has a certain charm. It's a pity I didn't take a proper 'before' photo as the lack of bonnet, entire front end and bumpers leaves little to help the imagination visualise the finished product. However, it's driving the thing for the sheer fun of it that I'm working towards. It will look good when finished but it won't be a Panda purists' concourse dream.

Not aimed at you Tony, but there will inevitably be people who knock this kind of project and I'm not seeking to please these people. I expect there will be a strong divide between the sticklers for originality and those with a less restricted outlook. I am enjoying restoring this vehicle and do so for my own ends. I make no apologies for spending my time and money in the way I want to.

Anyway, this is the kind of stuff that makes for interesting and lively debate! It would be a boring forum indeed where everybody had the same views and opinions.
 
default_user said:
2. Steve
For a man with over 10,000 posts to your name I'd have thought forum etiquette would be second nature. A simple and polite question like Mr. Watson's would have elicited a simple and polite response. Before accusing people of anything you should at least have some basis for your accusations. Is it kit cars in general you disdain, or just this one?
Forum etiquette isn't my strong point, a quick browse through some of my 10,000 posts will confirm that if you're in doubt. Anyway, seeing as we got off on the wrong foot we may as well continue that way...

Yes, I despise kitcars. I hold them up there with equally stupid ways to waste what is a perfectly good, appreciating classic in, as you say, mechanically excellent order. Those equally stupid ways include banger racing, etc. Don't worry though, I reserve my most rampant fury for the idiots that insist on taking Panda 4X4's on mindless "charity" runs, usually to Africa, which have about as much to do with charity as your kitcar does to good taste.

I'm not that interested in the end product to be honest, but I'm sure some of the others will be, so in the spirit of Panda brotherhood, good luck with it.

On the plus side, this may very well inspire an interesting debate. :)
 
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Well I don't like kit cars generally either, but I don't think anyone should be stopped from tinkering around with one car to turn it into another if they choose.

The "charity" runs I'm more likely to be vitriolic about. A friend of mine, well ex friend, took his mini on a charity run on one of those Italian Job treks. He raised .... 49 pounds ... in sponsorship and spent four hundred pounds on fuel, cheap accomodation, beer and got a speeding fine.

If it was cheaper to have cars resprayed, I reckon the current batch of cars would be made to last a lot longer too. The Panda always did have rotting footwell problems, too many owners too lazy to pull up the carpet and underlay and dry it out - oh and check on the heater.

Barchetta 595, that was a kit car that turned an ugly car ( 126 ) into a 500 based roadster. Yum. Plus, the tuning kit gave it a top speed of 85.
 
In reply to your post Steve, I don't see that continuing on the wrong foot will serve any useful purpose, unless you like arguing (I'm too lazy to read your previous posts in other threads so I haven't checked if that's the case). I don't want to have an argument with you anyway. I respect peoples rights to their opinions, even when they don't align with my own. I personally like the idea of kit cars, but that doesn't mean I like every model ever produced. That's something we can all say about mainstream production cars too. I dare say that there are even people out there who don't like Pandas! I think the kit car debate is best started in another thread as I intended this thread to give interested parties some info on my particular car.

As for taking your car to foreign climes for a 'charity' drive, I'm not bothered. If I want to go to the trouble of driving my car across some bog or desert I'll do it for the fun and experience. Charity would have nothing to do with it and I wouldn't use it as an excuse to fund what is in effect an 'alternative' holiday.

Back to the 'Rat: If you think it's tasteless now wait until you see the rear spoiler, underside lighting and phat stereo I'm going to fit ;)

Seriously, at least wait until it's finished before dismissing it out of hand.
[Could be a long wait though and something tells me your patience will only stretch as far as you could throw your Panda :) ]
 
OK, I've looked up the 'dog car'. Am I allowed to say I like it without starting a flame war? I can only hope mine looks that good when it's finished.

[ "smelled the testicles"] :eek:

Now I have to go to bed and I have these terrible pictures in my head...
 
Having come from a custom car background, I have no problems with kit cars. Sadly, some kit cars chose donors that were once run of the mill everyday production cars but are now established classics. There were some that were based on Minis (Mini Marcos), Hillman Imps (forget the name), Skoda Estelle/ Rapid (Banham Spyder) and loads based on mk3/4/5 Cortinas.

As these 'run of the mill' cars are now established classics, so that doesn't help anyone rebuilding a kit car that is in need of refurbishing or being built from new. They try and find an old donor vehicle, then get bashed by the classic car brigade for destroying a classic. Difficult situation, and as I love both it's a difficult one for me to know which side of the fence to be on. As kits can normally be adapted to take another donor, I generally prefer that classics are kept as such, but many classics are so far gone that it really isn't worth restoring them. They either get crushed and disappear, broken for parts, or used for kit cars.

Yes, Panda fans revere the Panda, but outside of Pandaland the same isn't true. To many it's just an old Fiat, going rusty and long in the tooth. Also, Default_User is quite within his rights to do what he wants with his money, and sad as it may be that he is cannibalising a 4x4 Panda for the Rat, it is worth bearing in mind that the shell could well have been very rotten. It did look good in the pictures, but we've already seen many a nice example of old Fiats that turned out to be a rot box in the flesh.

I must say that the bare shell did look quite good apart from that massive hole in the windscreen surround and the rusty door. Then again, what Panda doesn't have rusty doors :p (tongue in cheek, because the same applies to Unos as well!)

Perhaps all the trim bits and some of the body could be put aside for others to use to save road going Pandas? I'm sure Default_User will be happy to pass/ sell on what he doesn't need.

Going back to the start of the discussion, Hot Rodding/ Car Customising is often held in the same disdain as kit car builders. The reason being is that many build cars to a horrible standard and give the hobby a bad name. But go to any top custom car show and the quality of workmanship is often outstanding. Many of the cars look better than new!

From a different perspective, 16 years ago I bought a Mk3 Ford Cortina 2000E to customise. Back then they were seen as bangers, and the few mentions of them in the classic car mags were met with howls of disapproval. So I had no guilty conscience with taking it all apart, rebuilding it and stuffing in a 2.8 V6 Granada engine. I hasten to add that it was effectively restored as standard on the outside as I was more into the 'sleeper' hot rods than the outrageous 'look at me' type. From the outside it looked like a nicely restored, standard Ford Cortina 2000E. Only the lowered suspension, alloy wheels and throbbing exhaust note gave the game away that this was not what it seemed :devil:

Anyway, if I were to buy a mk3 Cortina and do that to it now I'd probably be shot at dawn! Then again, a good mk3 Cortina 2000E costs WAY more that the £275 I paid for mine, so I doubt if I could afford to spend the kind of prices asked today just to pull a car apart and rebuild it...

So though it's sad to see a 4x4 meet its end, at least it lives on in spirit in the Rat, which is effectively a Panda 4x4 in different clothes! Better than just being pulled apart and sold off as spares, leading to one less Panda/ Rat 4x4 on the road.

I say good luck to Default_User, and hope he will build it to a good standard to make it a good example of a kit car. I for one look forward to seeing and reading about the progress of this project. I hope as well, any of the Panda bits he doesn't need will go to good homes for those that need such bits. That will go some way to redeeming the removal of a 4x4 from existance ;)

Oh, and don't go cannibalising any more 4x4 Pandas Default-User, else next time I reckon the Pandaland lynch mob will be after you! :p

Good luck!

Chas
 
Does it float?

Looks like it should float....

Rats usually float....

I've been drinking, ignore me:devil:

Anyway, welcome to the forum but I've to agree with Steve. You turned something that has a pretty simplicity into the rodent of Satan :p

Steve said:
I'm surprised our resident homosexual hasn't smelled the testicles on this thread and logged on! :eek:

Bog off beardy!!!

Jim
 
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