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I just wanted to report a problem we had during the recent cold weather with our Fiat Multipla (new style). We couldn't get into 3rd or 5th gear. We decided to head home from where we were, using just the gears we had, and as the car warmed up more, the gears came back. On talking to the garage they said because it is a long cable which loops about or something, it is possible that ice built up and prevented the gears from working, although they have never come across it before. We've had no problems since.

Just wanted to let people know for future reference.
 
I'm getting the same problem, but only trouble with 2,4 and reverse. (2001 model)
I think the gear selector cable rubber is split and dirt has entered.

I'm going to fix this in the near future. Will post further information then.
 
Problem: Trouble getting into 2,4 and reverse, stiff gear change.

Cause: The split in the rubber seen in picture 2, the linkage was rusty and dry of any grease. I cleaned the rust off and oiled it up again.

Results: The gear change loosened up greatly, nice and smooth gear change in 2,4 and R.

I'm going to replace the rubber when I change my clutch for a proper fix. Need to find if rubber can be bought alone, changing the whole gear linkage is far to extreme process to cure this problem.
There is no need to remove the battery, I was trying to get better access.

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Picture 1: The location of the gear linkage rubber split. The battery and airbox removed.

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Pictuer 2: The split in the rubber, the arrows indicate the movement of the gear linkage.

Pinklion said:
We couldn't get into 3rd or 5th gear.
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I would guess that the lower rubber is affected in your case. If the problem starts to reappear.
 
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Hi All - Happy New Year - I'm pretty much new to Fiat having just bought a 2003 Multipla last week. It's a 115 elx and I'm loving it. Quick...practical...crazy looking !

However it's got a REALLY sticky gear change at low speeds...seems ok when hooning around. But sometimes at junctions it really struggles to select 1st...and it crunches a little selecting reverse...

What do you think ? Thanks for you advice in advance...!
 
Also - anyone know a good Fiat Specialist in the Manchester area ?

Many thanks
 


You haven't mentioned the mileage but if it's anywhere over 50k I would think it most likely to be the clutch on the way out. If the previous owner 'shoed' the clutch at all then I'm afraid it's a new 3 piece kit.

Is there a bearing noise when depresing the clutch? This is the release bearing making noise having worn the fingers of the clutch pressure plate.

Peat
 
Thanks for the reply Peat - that sounds expensive. Any idea what I might have to fork out for a new clutch. btw you're right it's done 66k...cheers
 
Peat said:
Is there a bearing noise when depresing the clutch? This is the release bearing making noise having worn the fingers of the clutch pressure plate.
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What's the worst case scenario ?
The bearing noise is not so loud in my case and I have a petrol 1.6 engine.
 
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I cleverly remembered to leave the car in gear yesterday with the handbrake off, to prevent the handbrake freezing, only to find it had frozen into reverse this morning! Will mention the above advice to hubbie, as we have had the car for 10 years and never experience this, so potentially is a maintenance issue!
 
Holy Moses I've just been quoted nearly a grand to change the clutch ! There's two parts to it that usually go he says. Just the clutch plate would cost approx £550...gulp. I'm no mechanic but that sounds kinda steep to me. Anyone know if this is about right or not ?! Thanks:(
 

The 3 piece clutch kit is around £100 depending on your local factor. The labour will vary depending on where you live but a reasonable price would not be £400.00 more like <£200.00

The other item being quoted was probably the Dual Mass Flywheel which are not usually changed first time - an inspection when dis-assembled will tell - they tend to be more than the clutch kit, and if needing to be changed can be changed for a standard type flywheel.

Doing a search of the site will give you a better idea.
Peat
 
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Thanks so much Peat - you're right the £800 plus VAT included replacement of the dual mass flywheel. He said in his experience it almost always needed doing...but then he would I guess.
Will do a search of the site as you suggest...many thanks again - much appreciated.
 
I've had this happen this winter, the first time in all the years I've owned the car. I had the clutch done this year so my guess is that they've split this rubber when doing the job.

Cheers for the info though - gives me and idea where to start
 
As far as i know nobody makes a standard type flywheel for the multi yet unless your prepared to pay £800 for a race type one.
The flywheel can be had for about £260 and the clutch for about £100 but if you do get this done insist the input shaft seal is changed as its a common failure across many fiats and to relace it means it all has to come out again, the shaft seal is only about £10 tops....

http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/clutch-parts-buy.php

parts from here are usually the same as the originals but the original clutch makers are Valeo.

These are cheap too......

http://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=s...&secondary=127&opts=60&btnViewProducts=Search

cheaper
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/F...mission/Clutch-and-Associated-Parts/Flywheels
 
Buypartsby and i think its shop4parts will both come down on price when asked over the phone and im sure these are the same company.I paid around £270 for my dmf and after removing my old one iam pretty sure there wasnt anything wrong with it .
 
I have heard mentioned that another model with a solid flywheel had the same clutch - might have been a doblo or scodo anf thus the part could be used on a multi?

I had my clutch done recently, valeo off ebay for 100 and then 200 for fitting; garage suggested DMF when they had it apart but I decided that 300+ was enough for the time being...

Peat said:

I think you are correct.

I was sure I had read that someone had fitted a solid flywheel to replace the DMF. Obviously another senior moment!

I note that euro Car Parts sell the DMF for £246.69 inc VAT carriage free.


Peat
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I always change DMFs when fitted because it's virtually impossible to tell (outside of a lab) if they're worn. The multipla I did recently had a knackered centre bearing in the DMF so that was visible, but often you can't really tell. As regards the freezing cables, loads of people with all makes of cars are complaing of the same thing. I think it's because we had a spell of very wet weather followed by the freezing weather. Roll on spring!
 
This problem haunted me for about 6 months. :confused:
Then I decided to drain the oil, half filled it with diesel and drove it for about 5 miles - all within a 30 limit and not driven hard - so that it would get warmed up and get a good rinse out.
Back in the gridge, drained the diesel and inspected it - it had a lot of metallic bits in it - nothing massive but I'd say enough to get in between the gear and shaft slides.
Left the drain plug out for an hour to let the diesel run down, then topped it up with synthetic gear oil.
Thank fully it has been near normal since - even wifey uses 4th gear now haha

A NOTE OF ADVISE:

ER, don't use petrol in your car that has been thru a diesel tank :eek: - they don't like it -
my brother filled his diesel Jag up with Shell V max unleaded :bang:,
he had only about 2 ~ 3 litres left in his tank so put 60 odd lts of petrol in, :idea:
I helped him drain it all and thought it wouldn't hurt my Ugly so I filled her up (and AT ZERO COST WAS CHEAP :bang:)
Since then (Sunday 31 Jan) I have changed 2 sets of plugs and tomorrow I going to drain and wash the tank out - it's been a pig, it's hell to start it hot or cold - once started it runs 'ok' sort of, tho it lacks go and with no real power. (n)
MORAL OF MY TALE: IT DON'T MATTER HOW CHEAP CONTAMINATED FUEL IS, DON'T USE IT :cry:
 
japes said:
Holy Moses I've just been quoted nearly a grand to change the clutch ! There's two parts to it that usually go he says. Just the clutch plate would cost approx £550...gulp. I'm no mechanic but that sounds kinda steep to me. Anyone know if this is about right or not ?! Thanks:(
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