Panda (Classic) Classic Panda 100HP Sleeper

alfa115spider · Dec 9, 2011

Ha Ha - I love the old Panda's, and I saw and spoke to you at Stanford Hall this summer.

Loved the way you saw the Hillman Gimp off - you are a legend Sir

The Pretender · Apr 27, 2012

I wonder would this engine also fit with the factory airbox on top of the engine.

leonsdada · Apr 27, 2012

I think probably not, but why would you want to keep the first thing you upgrade on a performance build?

The Pretender · Apr 27, 2012

leonsdada said:
I think probably not, but why would you want to keep the first thing you upgrade on a performance build?

Because the factory airbox is better then 80+% of the alternatives out there.
Besides that it will be a lot quieter.

lewey · Apr 28, 2012

I understand the desire for a normal air box and I agree that you can easily make things worse or cause other problems if you don't do a very good job or use poor quality filters. The standard 16v air boxes don't fit due to bonnet interference though or I probably would have got one when I changed the layout earlier this year.

The engine bay now looks like this (manifold and precarious fan position temporary for recent MOT!)

The Pretender · Apr 28, 2012

OK, clear.

What i also wonder, is the gearbox used in combination with 1100 FIRE 8v the same as the one used with the 1400 FIRE 16v.

lewey · Apr 28, 2012

Yes. They are both a C514 type with same main cases, but the 1.4 16v has a 6th gear via some extended casework. The ratios are quite different in every gear.

The Pretender · Apr 28, 2012

Does that mean i could only swap the 1100 engine out for a 1400.
Or will it not that easy.

lewey · Apr 28, 2012

I presume you have a MK3 (2003-) 1108cc Panda. You could easily swap the engine and connect it all up, yes. You would then have to swap ALL of the car wiring and ECUs from a 1.4 Panda too. Unless you have access to a very cheap complete 1.4 Panda and have a lot of time, it would not make much sense to most people. But perhaps you are rich, bored and crazy, in which case go for it and I will be glad to give advice as you go along.

The Pretender · Apr 28, 2012

lewey said:
I presume you have a MK3 (2003-) 1108cc Panda. You could easily swap the engine and connect it all up, yes. You would then have to swap ALL of the car wiring and ECUs from a 1.4 Panda too. Unless you have access to a very cheap complete 1.4 Panda and have a lot of time, it would not make much sense to most people. But perhaps you are rich, bored and crazy, in which case go for it and I will be glad to give advice as you go along.

Nope, i mean in a 2002 1100 Young.
It make no sense to put a 1400 engine in a car that already have a 1100 engine in it.
In that case it make more sense to buy a 100 hp.

lewey · Apr 28, 2012

OK. In which case the gearbox is not the same, but a 1.4 will go straight in like my car. 3rd party electronics will be neater and easier to do for most people, but expensive unless you go with a very DIY solution. Such things are covered extensively elsewhere on the forum.

The Pretender · Apr 29, 2012

So, if i understand correctly, i can take out the 1100 Fire 8v engine and leave the gearbox and driveshafts in, and then drop straight in a 1400 Fire 16V.

lewey · Apr 29, 2012

Yes, you can prepare the car and swap engines in a day if you research the little bits you need to do. The fuelling of the engine is the part which is not simple. A 1242cc 16v engine is more often done because you can use a Mk1 Punto ECU and splice it in with just a handfull of wires. By the time 1.4s were in use, the electronics worked in a fully integrated way and can not be as easily separated.

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manda-16v

The Pretender · Apr 29, 2012

lewey said:
Yes, you can prepare the car and swap engines in a day if you research the little bits you need to do. The fuelling of the engine is the part which is not simple. A 1242cc 16v engine is more often done because you can use a Mk1 Punto ECU and splice it in with just a handfull of wires. By the time 1.4s were in use, the electronics worked in a fully integrated way and can not be as easily separated.

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manda-16v

THX, for your time and reply's.
I have seen enough and it's to much hassel for my likings.
No way, i will even start , engine swap is a closed book of as now.

If i want more speed i will look for other ways, or other car.

nickd1982 · May 29, 2013

Loving this car! I've just bought a Panda Bianca and was wandering if I could fit later engines, I may have to pick your brains some time!

Nick

purple haze · May 30, 2013

nickd1982 said:
Loving this car! I've just bought a Panda Bianca and was wandering if I could fit later engines, I may have to pick your brains some time!

Nick

Bianca? Do you know there are only 5 left? And a cheeky question, where did you get it??

Most Easterly Pandas · May 30, 2013

nickd1982 said:
Loving this car! I've just bought a Panda Bianca and was wandering if I could fit later engines, I may have to pick your brains some time!

Nick

Welcome Nick.

I don't think it would go down to well killing one of only 6 lisenced Bianca's.
What condition is she in out of interest

nickd1982 · May 30, 2013

Hi! I bought it off ebay from a guy called Matt (Pandabianca),getting it next Wednesday and can't wait!

Most Easterly Pandas · May 30, 2013

nickd1982 said:
Hi! I bought it off ebay from a guy called Matt (Pandabianca),getting it next Wednesday and can't wait!

Ah, the one that's been in a garage for a while

nickd1982 · May 30, 2013

Thanks for the welcome! I've not collected the car as of yet, I bought it blind on ebay, all I know at the moment is it needs a bit of mechanical work to get it mobile again!....all part of the fun!

Nick

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