Has anyone seen this? Not your average Fiat dealership!

a73uk · Jul 5, 2009

This dealership was unearthed last year...

Theres quite alot of brand new, never registered cars there, mainly Fiats.

The owner went from being a Fiat car dealer to an Iveco commercial dealer & just left all the new, used & part exchanged cars where they were!

The owner then died & the son inherited the 200 or so cars last year (2008)

A dream situation!

He has been selling most of them, but the new unregistered cars cant be registered in Denmark (where the dealer is) due to them not meeting current emmissions etc regulations so will either be exported or go into private collections.

Mindblowing...

T14086 · Jul 5, 2009

new cars would never be allowed on road as wont past EOBD legislation but some nice museum pieces there:worship:

dave · Jul 5, 2009

could just ring um, i mean re sell old ones with them :devil:

PandaMark · Jul 6, 2009

Want that one!

Most Easterly Pandas · Jul 6, 2009

OMG, they should have all been left in the old dealership and that opened as a museum!

OMG that's a once in a life time view.

Interesting that they can't be registered as new. I can understand why, but can they be sort of registered, but not as a new car

FIREsporting · Jul 6, 2009

PandaMark said:
Want that one!

Nice car washing Job first

tarbyonline · Jul 6, 2009

Some lovely cars there. Aggree that they need to go to a museum. Perhaps FIAT themselves might be interested?

The Beard · Jul 6, 2009

Really interesting collection of "ordinary, everyday" cars. So far I've manged to identify:

2X generations of 128, 3X generations of 127, a 500 van, 600 van (they would probably have had names, but I don't know them offhand) 600 Berlinas, 850 Berlina, 1500 and/or 1800s (that range all looked similar and even included 2300s and 2600s) and a 131 Mirafiori.

The 124/125s look more like Polskis or Ladas than FIATs.

The blue and white van dates from the same era and even still has a shine to the paintwork which is pretty remarkable.

As well as the Lancia Beta 1300 there are 3 Audis, one of which I think was the immediate predecessor to the 80, the others look as if they were from the Auto Union/DKW era. There are a couple of Austin/Morris 1100/1300s, MGB, a Peugeot 104 as well as the couple of Beetles and Mk1 Uno that everybody would recognise. Anyone spot the Hillman Imps? (1 is possibly a Chamois)

Quite a few I can't recognise properly as they're tucked well away and covered in 30+ years of dust, but a really interesting collection.

I wonder if you could buy one, trailer it to Morocco, (or a Baltic state), register it there and then re-import it to the EU and register it with the first registration unknown.

Hellcat · Jul 6, 2009

Some awesome candidates for revivals rallycross there!

ChrisUK · Jul 6, 2009

Most Easterly Pandas said:
OMG, they should have all been left in the old dealership and that opened as a museum!

OMG that's a once in a life time view.

Interesting that they can't be registered as new. I can understand why, but can they be sort of registered, but not as a new car

:yeahthat: surely you can just import it as normal?

a73uk · Jul 6, 2009

Then you`ve missed an early 5 series BMW (might be a 2.5 or 3.0), another Beta (or possibly a Gamma), a Strada, another 131, a Fiat 1100, a couple of 126`s, a Simca van, an NSU Prince, a 128 3P...

You cant have missed the Renault 4 or Autobianchi Biachina. The clean blue & white van I think is a Fiat type 238 furgone.

The 3 Imps I can see are all standard (non Chamois)

Most of the 124/5`s do seem to be Polski ones.

Usually importing into the baltic states result in huge improt duty, usually based on the cars cost wehn new instead of its value, so it would be prohibitive... I think Dave came up with the incredibly dodgy, but only really viable option!

Another alternative would be to strip them, export them, rebuild them & then get single vehicle SVA approval on them...

Apparently theres a similar Toyota dealer in Turkey that was closed during the `troubles` in 1973. Its full of brand new 73 Corollas & a few others...

I seem to remember a BL dealer in Wales being discovered in similar circumstances about 18-20 years ago as well, but not on this scale.

The Beard said:
Really interesting collection of "ordinary, everyday" cars. So far I've manged to identify:

2X generations of 128, 3X generations of 127, a 500 van, 600 van (they would probably have had names, but I don't know them offhand) 600 Berlinas, 850 Berlina, 1500 and/or 1800s (that range all looked similar and even included 2300s and 2600s) and a 131 Mirafiori.

The 124/125s look more like Polskis or Ladas than FIATs.

The blue and white van dates from the same era and even still has a shine to the paintwork which is pretty remarkable.

As well as the Lancia Beta 1300 there are 3 Audis, one of which I think was the immediate predecessor to the 80, the others look as if they were from the Auto Union/DKW era. There are a couple of Austin/Morris 1100/1300s, MGB, a Peugeot 104 as well as the couple of Beetles and Mk1 Uno that everybody would recognise. Anyone spot the Hillman Imps? (1 is possibly a Chamois)

Quite a few I can't recognise properly as they're tucked well away and covered in 30+ years of dust, but a really interesting collection.

I wonder if you could buy one, trailer it to Morocco, (or a Baltic state), register it there and then re-import it to the EU and register it with the first registration unknown.

Kkraftwerk · Jul 7, 2009

The blue and white van is a 238, one of which I own...

ChrisUK · Jul 7, 2009

What amazes me is it went for so long untouched? How come it weren't vandalised etc? was it boarded up?

danhans115 · Jul 7, 2009

ChrisUK said:
What amazes me is it went for so long untouched? How come it weren't vandalised etc? was it boarded up?

It wasnt vandalised as it wasnt in england lol

T14086 · Jul 7, 2009

danhans115 said:
It wasnt vandalised as it wasnt in england lol

ChrisUK · Jul 7, 2009

good point

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PuntoSS · Jul 8, 2009

The Beard said:
I wonder if you could buy one, trailer it to Morocco, (or a Baltic state), register it there and then re-import it to the EU and register it with the first registration unknown.

Would they allow that?
I think they theoretically should be allowed to be registered by the DVLA as new vehicles under the new system; all cars get left in Bristol weeks before they are registered, so surely years won't make a difference?
At the end of the day it's only a number plate to identify the vehicle by....
whatever floats their boat though.

a73uk · Jul 8, 2009

Importing to 1 country (& paying tax), then re importing them to this country (paying tax again) doesnt make alot of sense.

If they are being registered as new cars, they have to meet current standards for emmissions, crash worthiness etc, obviously these wont meet those standards.

You`d try to then register them in the same way as you would a kit car/home build & get them on a Q plate, however, as they are complete unused cars its a bit of a grey area....

There have been a few unregistered British classics I`ve seen on ebay over the last few years, one was selling an 86 D reg MGB with another unregistered one. I have no idea how (or if) the other one was registered.

Its concievable it was `rung` with a scrapped cars log book though. I`m not sure where that stands legally, as you`d own both the car & the scrapped cars log book, you arent doing it for tax reasons or to defraud anyone really, so technically its not normal "ringing" & possibly isnt illegal... I`m sure someone will clarify the legal situation of this....

PuntoSS said:
Would they allow that?
I think they theoretically should be allowed to be registered by the DVLA as new vehicles under the new system; all cars get left in Bristol weeks before they are registered, so surely years won't make a difference?
At the end of the day it's only a number plate to identify the vehicle by....
whatever floats their boat though.

Quetzalcoatl · Jul 21, 2009

In Italy you can register a previously scrapped car, or even a unregistered car, if it has an historical value (in other words, is a classic-old car). In this case you won't go to the MCTCC (Motorizzazione, the transportation office), you go to ASI (Automotoclub Storico Italiano, Italian Historical Automotoclub) and they use the frame number to identify the construction year. In this case the car must meet the requirements in duty IN THE YEAR the car was built. EG you want to register a 1950 FIAT 500, the laws the car must meet are the 1950 ones.

a73uk · Jul 21, 2009

mmmm... interesting @ Q..

I wonder if they could have been taken (quietly) into Italy, then registered & then imported into the UK....

See, this is why I love Italy, about the only EU country that still has love for the automobile!

A country where Nuns can roam free @ 100+ MPH...

:slayer:

Quetzalcoatl said:
In Italy you can register a previously scrapped car, or even a unregistered car, if it has an historical value (in other words, is a classic-old car). In this case you won't go to the MCTCC (Motorizzazione, the transportation office), you go to ASI (Automotoclub Storico Italiano, Italian Historical Automotoclub) and they use the frame number to identify the construction year. In this case the car must meet the requirements in duty IN THE YEAR the car was built. EG you want to register a 1950 FIAT 500, the laws the car must meet are the 1950 ones.

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