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Re: Punished for Driving well and having a weak cc engine!

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That goes against all the rules and would provoke an appeal by the CPS. Any judge who was that slack would be in real trouble.
nope. The two most common outcomes were sadly, revoke or to add another CO, to the existing one which did not make a blind bit of difference and only confused delius and the paperwork when you would have to take them back to court again for a further breach.


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They certainly can't get on friendly terms with a judge in open court, so where do they meet? Do they all drink in the same pub?
Yes they can, it was not uncommon for judges to give their personal mobile numbers to offenders in review court. Many thought it was 'unorthodox' by the judge in question, but no complaints made.


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I don't defend the justice system, it is what the politicians want it to be and defending the system would mean taking sides in a political debate. I just use my experience of working in the system to try to correct some of the incorrect assertions that are put forward as fact.
Your corrections are inaccurate because clearly they are based on your experience, which clearly did not cover my borough.
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Re: Punished for Driving well and having a weak cc engine!

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have you enquired about those boxes that insurance companies fit to your car that might drop ur premium
I did and I'm still paying £3200 for 6000 miles + another £400 for every 1000 miles after!!!

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theft is, for crime recording figures, a "detected crime" whereas driving with no insurance isn't.
Driving without insurance is contrary to part 6 of the Road traffic Act 1988, also contrary to section 143 of the Road traffic Act 1988 and also contrary to Schedule 2 of the Road traffic Offenders Act. That makes it a crime. Which is why people who are convicted of it are punished according to criminal law and not via civil law in a county court.
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or to add another CO, to the existing one
breach of a community order can't be punished by another community order.. The only options are to make the existing order more onerous or to revoke it and re sentence the original offence in a different way.


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Yes they can, it was not uncommon for judges to give their personal mobile numbers to offenders in review court. Many thought it was 'unorthodox' by the judge in question, but no complaints made.
What a wonderful imagination you have. I leave to those who read this to work out how likely it is for a judge to give his or her phone number to a convicted criminal.
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Re: Punished for Driving well and having a weak cc engine!

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Driving without insurance is contrary to part 6 of the Road traffic Act 1988, also contrary to section 143 of the Road traffic Act 1988 and also contrary to Schedule 2 of the Road traffic Offenders Act. That makes it a crime. Which is why people who are convicted of it are punished according to criminal law and not via civil law in a county court.
and it's why small villages can sometime have major crime figures if a lot of people are pulled for DD in them as that's where the offence is marked as taking place.
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Driving without insurance is contrary to part 6 of the Road traffic Act 1988, also contrary to section 143 of the Road traffic Act 1988 and also contrary to Schedule 2 of the Road traffic Offenders Act. That makes it a crime. Which is why people who are convicted of it are punished according to criminal law and not via civil law in a county court.

However it is not a "detected crime" for the purposes of police statistics
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What a wonderful imagination you have. I leave to those who read this to work out how likely it is for a judge to give his or her phone number to a convicted criminal.
You are so very stupid and that is the problem with this country. People with low intellects, but with huge confidence to talk ****. Post this whole conversation at work, make sure everyone reads it. After that, ring west london magistrates court and ask if there is a judge who constantly gives out his personal mobile to offenders (we don't call them convicts in probation) on a thursday review court (DRR reviews).

After that, come back on here and explain to everyone..'I never said that blah blah..' or whatever **** you need to save your ego and broken idea that you know **** about how the criminal justice system works in London.

Your lack of knowledge disgusts me, but please, get insulted by me, get strong and tough like you are now, go down to wlmc and get an education. You again prove perfectly how damaged and retardedly simple yet at the same time, misguidedly confident probation is. I am ashamed how you stupid you are, yet you are in such a vital position for the well being of society.
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Re: Punished for Driving well and having a weak cc engine!

I'm just going to grab a seat on the couch and watch this, it should get interesting soon...
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Re: Punished for Driving well and having a weak cc engine!

So are we talking about 'one' judge who does this - or the fact it is not uncommon means that 'a lot more' judges do it??
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I know only of one other, in another court, also a DJ.

These offenders (many of them) have the judges round their fingers.
Many get annoyed about this, others like our under-travelled friend above, like to act like it doesn't happen to protect his own fractured belief system and sensibilities in the criminal justice system in the UK.
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I can't speak for all judges/magistrates but I did spend six years working in magistrates and crown courts and can honestly say that never did I see, or hear of, a judge or magistrate giving a defendant his/her telephone number.

Obviously I'm not saying it has never happened but I find it hard to comprehend why one would do so, in my experience judges are (understandably) very secretive about personal details such as where they live.
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Some youth centres for people under 18 have that sort of thing for people doing long sentences, but they have to be earned by good behaviour and progress. Prisoners in adult jails can also earn some priviledges such as a TV. They are still locked in, with no choice of who they share with and are restricted in what they can watch and how long they can watch for. The punishment is loss of liberty not loss of coronation street.



I wouldn't care to eat the food, the laundry is done by some of the prisoners (usually the ones who can't be trusted with a better job) . Also the clothing is communal, so the underwear a prisoner is issued with won't be what he wore last week and may well have somebody else's skid marks in it.

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That being the case do you not find it odd how many people go back there time and time again?

If you believe that prison is any kind of deterent I'm afraid that you are sadly misguided. it may be a thoroughly unpleasant place to you and me but, this may come a shock to you, criminals aren't like you and me.
the ones I deal with on a daily basis see it as a way of life, they grew up visiting their parents in prison, most of their friends and family have been to prison. You see it as a loss of liberty because you would be removed from your normal way of life, your family and friends, these people see it as a opportunity to meet up with old friends and often to make some new ones, many openly admit that they have a better life inside than out. they can even get their drugs delivered to their cell in prison rather having to go out to get them at home
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Gaz, firstly thank you for not attempting and failing to mock me the way johnw did and basically accuse me of lying. I didn't enjoy that burst of confident ignorance he gave the forum just now.

Also I agree, I have met many offenders who prefer prison to home life.

When I first saw personal details of judges being given, by them - to an offender - in front of the police and probation - in front of the whole review court, I was disgusted, for me, I felt it under-minded the whole system. That is just my opinion.

Check out this judge Gaz. Found it.

Remember, he gives his number/hugs/personal details, whether they complete a DRR or not and this is only on review court thursdays, the rest of the week he is a judge, passing sentence on 'clients' in the same court, all week, for any offenders who have committed any offence, many who will have his mobile, prior to their 'day in court.'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...justin-philips

I know of one other London judge who does this in another court.
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