Hello all,
I am new to the site and a bit lost...
I am looking for a wiring diagram with info on the MAF sensor fot a ducato 120 multijet 2010..
Can anyone point me in the right direction......

I am installing a HHO system on it , and am trying to go above the 30% fuel savings...
If anyone has installed a HHO system ..all suggestions are welcome.

Thanks

Hi. And welcome to FF.

I Have no idea what the system is you are referring to (diesel equivalent LPG.?)

However ..

Personally I would post a slightly broader question in the TECH TALK section .

With a link to the system.. or a full description of what is involved.

Bon Chance.

Charlie

HHO is apparently a somewhat dubious water injection system. They call it HHO to disguise the fact that it uses water (H2O = HHO - geddit?)

I would think the best bet for the OP finding what he wants will be the X250 eLearn manual available in the downloads section here or elsewhere on the internet.

I will try downloading the files
For charlie I am looking for the MAF (Mass air flow) sensor wiring...
I think I found the way to find out the info on You tube... I try this also..

for RS3100 HHO is a Hydrogen /oxygen injection injection system which is made from water ....and it works

Started at 10 liters per 100km consumption diesel and now am at 7.5 l/100km
(highway) if I can get another 10% I will have reached my goal..

Thanks all
Richard

HHO West France said:

for RS3100 HHO is a Hydrogen /oxygen injection injection system which is made from water ....and it works

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I know what it is and what it claims to do. It appears to me to be one of those snake-oil type accessories with proponents on both sides. Been around since 1918 so I have to ask myself why it hasn't caught on.

Effects on fuel consumption if provable are one thing, but if at the expense of engine life or decreased durability of other components there may not actually be any saving.

One research paper published in 2010 suggests the system can work on modern diesel engines, but only by re-engineering the injectors and other components of the engine, otherwise it was found to increase the emission of exhaust pollutants. They managed a 100 hour endurance life on the injectors during various tests of the system

Anyway, bye-the-bye. Good luck with your modifications

Bearing in mind that 120 multijet is fairly economical as it and that the most efficient stationary diesels are only 50-55% efficient at an exact speed, load and temperature. You might appreciate that expecting 30% fuel savings is massively unrealistic. You'd be lucky to get 10% with all manner of measures let alone some bull like HHO.

OK, so I work for a large oil company. We're usually no 1 or no 2 in the world...

If HHO actually did something, with our drive for reduced emissions (executive pay is now linked to emissions) - don't you think it's something we'd have been interested in? And that's not to mention the car companies - if HHO did something, it would be the magic answer to WLTP testing!

We spend hundreds of millions on developing additive packs to make our fuels more efficient... yet it appears all we needed to do was to add water!

Just don't bother. Complete waste of time, energy and money.

HHO West France said:

I will try downloading the files
For charlie I am looking for the MAF (Mass air flow) sensor wiring...
I think I found the way to find out the info on You tube... I try this also..

for RS3100 HHO is a Hydrogen /oxygen injection injection system which is made from water ....and it works

Started at 10 liters per 100km consumption diesel and now am at 7.5 l/100km
(highway) if I can get another 10% I will have reached my goal..

Thanks all
Richard

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Schumi2001 said:

OK, so I work for a large oil company. We're usually no 1 or no 2 in the world...

If HHO actually did something, with our drive for reduced emissions (executive pay is now linked to emissions) - don't you think it's something we'd have been interested in? And that's not to mention the car companies - if HHO did something, it would be the magic answer to WLTP testing!

We spend hundreds of millions on developing additive packs to make our fuels more efficient... yet it appears all we needed to do was to add water!

Just don't bother. Complete waste of time, energy and money.

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I hear what you are saying..
but back in the day the BIG petrochem companies always bought up 'green' patents ( and sat on them )to make sure oil was still king.

They may get emissions based incentives.. but a 30% drop in fuel sales may not be so welcome..

I know there are septic (mistake in spelling, Ha Ha) all over the world, also many people don't really understand the processes involved....
For diesel , no modifications to motor, injection, etc Just a little tinkering with its controls....

Dont believe me is ok, but again I am at 20% savings which more than compensates for my 200 euro invested....

Oil company's what to sell oil not water.....
Governments want to Tax..

Testing emissions, yery positive reduction

I will post the results after my last efforts and testing are done for the non believers...

Good luck and interested in learning more.

varesecrazy said:

I hear what you are saying..
but back in the day the BIG petrochem companies always bought up 'green' patents ( and sat on them )to make sure oil was still king.

They may get emissions based incentives.. but a 30% drop in fuel sales may not be so welcome..

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You may want to remove that foil hat!

Nobody has come up with anything that makes such a drastic difference that an oil company would buy it up to top it reaching the market!

It's often talked about, but there's no evidence that they do this, at all. Aside from the odd conspiracy nutter, or the odd person with an axe to grind.

HHO West France said:

I know there are septic (mistake in spelling, Ha Ha) all over the world, also many people don't really understand the processes involved....
For diesel , no modifications to motor, injection, etc Just a little tinkering with its controls....

Dont believe me is ok, but again I am at 20% savings which more than compensates for my 200 euro invested....

Oil company's what to sell oil not water.....
Governments want to Tax..

Testing emissions, yery positive reduction

I will post the results after my last efforts and testing are done for the non believers...

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Trouble is, you have a product to sell. You've made a very amateur effort at trying to hide this, but you have an agenda to persuade people that the impossible is possible.

Just for clarity, have a look here:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a3983/4310717/

There is no possible way in which this could work - and it was noted that the extra drain on the alternator increased engine drag and actually made fuel consumption (very marginally) worse.

I sell nothing.... all my info is free..

For non believers see below site.

http://writingaboutcars.com/can-hydrogen-injection-save-the-diesel-engine/


Just open your minds... what if......

There is no doubt that H2 can be burned in internal combustion engines.

The elephant in the room is that it takes whole magnitudes more power to make hydrogen (as in, actually make hydrogen, not that HHO nonsense) than you generate from the internal combustion engine.

The other big problem is that burning H2 in ICE is significantly less efficient than using a fuel cell to generate electricity.

(The big oil company I work for is the European leader in H2 technology - having installed on-site electrolysis plants and H2 dispensers to fuel FCEVs)

In wilts.uk by chance?

The H2 plants are at Beaconsfield and Cobham. With more to come this year.

Swindon has had one for a decade.. they run a fleet of taxis on it.

But hasnt been a major gamechanger.

There was a BOC station using off-site H2 (not sure of the technicalities, but suspect tankered in, using methane based H2 production.)

ITM (our partners) have installed on-site hydrolysis this year (September, I think).

It's the on-site hydrolysis which is the game changer here.

Plus, the increased choice in FCEVs.

(The Far Eastern manufacturers are really investing in this now)