General 1990 Ducato 2.5td based Autoking Elddis 630ck motorhome

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General 1990 Ducato 2.5td based Autoking Elddis 630ck motorhome

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I'm thinking of purchasing a (very cheap) 1990 Ducato 2.5td based Autoking Elddis 630ck motorhome (60k miles) as I really like the styling and the way that the space is utilized and I need some advice as I know nothing about them. Are they a good engine/ gearbox ? I have heard about problems with judder and the clutch/ gearbox wanting to explode when reversing up a steep incline on Ducato's, does this also apply to the 1990 versions ? I have also heard that the electrics are a nightmare and that they eat wheel bearings ? Are there some other inherant problem with the rear brakes ? Are there any specific questions to ask or things to check for ? How about metal fatigue areas ? What about MPG ? Weight ? Measurements (internal height and external) length and breadth ? Would comparing a 1990 2.5td to a new(ish) one be similar to comparing a pre 00'Iveco daily to a new one (i.e. the old ones were more reliable, better built and easier to fix) ?
I understand that my questions may seem quite basic but i've been unable to dig up any information on the net on these vehicles. I have an advanced knowledge of mechanics/ electrics etc as I have been a marine engineer for many years and I do not want to get stuck with a lemon. Any advice/ links to reviews/ articles/ spec sheets would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
 
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hi first i would buy a damp meter draper do a cheap one go round the cubards and bathroom area also see if the floor is spongy if it is the floor is delaminating but is fixable with epoxy resin but a messy job if you do find any damp leave it it,s a major job to get rid of it any advice call me on 07740737247 im terry
 
Apologies for the late reply. Been otherwise busy.
I've had the same vehicle now for the last 8 yrs. I have to say mine has been very little trouble, but then I've only covered minimal mileage in that time and now has only 80k on the clock. They don't get the hammer that commercial vehicles get and as an 'A' class with the galvanised Alko chassis there's not much bodywork rust to worry about. Though my upper crossmember needs some work, but I haven't figured out how to get it out yet - (you will notice that the bonnet drainage holes are located above the crossmember)
Mine had some damp in the wardrobe from snow standing on the roof one winter some yrs back. Ingress was round the flue pipe. Otherwise mine is as dry as the day it was made!
I would describe the vehicle as suitable for an enthusiast (as they were always something of a trial vehicle by the sound of it...) Early models were prone to shaking the windscreen out and if you check under the bonnet you will find the re-call modification to strengthen the fibre-glass section!
1st thing to check is whether the Alko back axle is seized - get plenty of grease into there if its been stood a long time as well - the 4 nipples are obvious. If axle is seized (this may be why its cheap, but they don't seem to be popular vans) it's not the end of the world but its costs around £1000 to replace (maybe less, but this was 3yrs ago)
Check that the front wheel arches are secure - on mine they were secured by steel brackets pop-riveted in place (Elddis) - these tend to shake free.
Check for water ingress damage around the front of front side windows. I have the details of the window manufacturer and its an easy job to reseal them. Any panel damage from neglect can also be repaired along with scuttle panel replacement.
Low effort rear brake problems on mine are due to the design of the rear brake compensating arrangment. The control arm (on mine anyway) is worked from the short Alko trailing arm - via a welded bracket. There is no overide facility and the bracket takes the stress when the arm bends at maximum when the back-end bottoms (over speed bumps say and if axle becomes seized - the only rear suspension is in the tyres!)
Jack back end up and make sure both trailing arms lower to check for seizure.

1 practical bad point is that all double beds are rather narrow and the upper cab bunk is def not big enough for two adults.
If on test drive it continually squeaks it is not necessarily the upper bunk! Mine was down to the floor section continually rubbing against the sq. section strengthening that surrounds the cab-end - once this was bent back a little - hey presto no more squeaking! I knew one owner that took his overcab bunk out for this reason. Make sure bunk secures properly in the up position too as it can come down on you when driving!
Oh and you can't lean out very well when reversing (note sliding windows in front doors), or adjust mirrors from inside and there is little cab front-end ventiation when it's hot so a fan or two are essential.
Make sure the cooling fans cut in btw. if they don't - fuses may have been overheating and making poor contacts and the earthing is something that can be much improved as they whop a hefty current!

The Autoking was an early attempt by Elddis to make a top of the range 'A class' and as such I think has some historical merit. As a marine engineer I feel you would be up to any challenges the Autoking could throw at you!

Hope my reply isn't too late for you but they do crop up on eBay from time to time - I wouldn't hesitate to have another as the layout is very good.
very good wishes to you, and again, apologies for the late reply,
mick
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Dimensions (for 630ck)
(from Elddis Motorhomes Tech. Spec. 1986-87)
Exterior length 6330mm (20'9")
Width 2250mm (7'5")
Overall Height 2620mm (8'7") (some have SS roof rack fitted)
Max Headroom 2019mm (6' 71/2")
Interior Width 2090mm (6' 10")
Ex Works Kerb Weight 2180kgs
Max Laden 2700kgs
Max Payload 520kgs

The Turbo Engine develops 92.5 bhp @ 3800 rpm
non turbo 75bhp

(Bed sizes and tyre pressures are listed on the back sheet)
 
Apologies for the late reply. Been otherwise busy.
I've had the same vehicle now for the last 8 yrs. I have to say mine has been very little trouble, but then I've only covered minimal mileage in that time and now has only 80k on the clock. They don't get the hammer that commercial vehicles get and as an 'A' class with the galvanised Alko chassis there's not much bodywork rust to worry about. Though my upper crossmember needs some work, but I haven't figured out how to get it out yet - (you will notice that the bonnet drainage holes are located above the crossmember)
Mine had some damp in the wardrobe from snow standing on the roof one winter some yrs back. Ingress was round the flue pipe. Otherwise mine is as dry as the day it was made!
I would describe the vehicle as suitable for an enthusiast (as they were always something of a trial vehicle by the sound of it...) Early models were prone to shaking the windscreen out and if you check under the bonnet you will find the re-call modification to strengthen the fibre-glass section!
1st thing to check is whether the Alko back axle is seized - get plenty of grease into there if its been stood a long time as well - the 4 nipples are obvious. If axle is seized (this may be why its cheap, but they don't seem to be popular vans) it's not the end of the world but its costs around £1000 to replace (maybe less, but this was 3yrs ago)
Check that the front wheel arches are secure - on mine they were secured by steel brackets pop-riveted in place (Elddis) - these tend to shake free.
Check for water ingress damage around the front of front side windows. I have the details of the window manufacturer and its an easy job to reseal them. Any panel damage from neglect can also be repaired along with scuttle panel replacement.
Low effort rear brake problems on mine are due to the design of the rear brake compensating arrangment. The control arm (on mine anyway) is worked from the short Alko trailing arm - via a welded bracket. There is no overide facility and the bracket takes the stress when the arm bends at maximum when the back-end bottoms (over speed bumps say and if axle becomes seized - the only rear suspension is in the tyres!)
Jack back end up and make sure both trailing arms lower to check for seizure.

1 practical bad point is that all double beds are rather narrow and the upper cab bunk is def not big enough for two adults.
If on test drive it continually squeaks it is not necessarily the upper bunk! Mine was down to the floor section continually rubbing against the sq. section strengthening that surrounds the cab-end - once this was bent back a little - hey presto no more squeaking! I knew one owner that took his overcab bunk out for this reason. Make sure bunk secures properly in the up position too as it can come down on you when driving!
Oh and you can't lean out very well when reversing (note sliding windows in front doors), or adjust mirrors from inside and there is little cab front-end ventiation when it's hot so a fan or two are essential.
Make sure the cooling fans cut in btw. if they don't - fuses may have been overheating and making poor contacts and the earthing is something that can be much improved as they whop a hefty current!

The Autoking was an early attempt by Elddis to make a top of the range 'A class' and as such I think has some historical merit. As a marine engineer I feel you would be up to any challenges the Autoking could throw at you!

Hope my reply isn't too late for you but they do crop up on eBay from time to time - I wouldn't hesitate to have another as the layout is very good.
very good wishes to you, and again, apologies for the late reply,
mick
([email protected])
Hello Folks

can anybody assist me as to where i can download a manual for a 1990 Ducato 2.5td based Autoking Elddis 630ck motorhome" i've recently acquired one and would like to do some work on it, however i have been looking everywhere for a diagram of the engine
and naturally if anybody knows a way of getting a freebie one this would be even better

many thanks for all your help

Regards

Landy1
 
Hey great post responses.
I'm going to look at a 630ck tomorrow and will be taking a damp meter.
Thanks for the guidance tez9381 and lightweightmick :) cheers Jim
 
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