NiallG (forum member) looks after his white vans (doblos) for his business and one has 300,000 miles on it & still going strong
Technical Reversing Judder X250
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I have never heard of a reversing/juddering with doblos,its the X250 Ducato/Peugeot Boxer and Citroen models mainly on motorhomes.NiallG (forum member) looks after his white vans (doblos) for his business and one has 300,000 miles on it & still going strong
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John C S
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T14086 was not referring to juddering on the Doblo, but the mileage that some Fiat commercials can achieve, following from my post being angry with colinfrier slating white van man and our apparent non existence attitude to maintenance and treating our vehicles like ****.
Just to clear that up Bud
Thanks John, good to see some carefully reads posts
hi my friend has a eldiss avengarde there is a software mod on the ecu but its only for the 2.3 engine
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Re: Ducato Gear problems
Erm, If you read this long thread, the answer is contained within!
Erm, If you read this long thread, the answer is contained within!
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Well Hugh ,if you are waiting for a recall from Fiat then I think you will be organising your funeral first.
As of last weeks conversation with the, as ever so unhelpful,customer relations the story was that only motorhomes are affected, and being worked on, and there is nothing wrong!!!!!!!!!!!! with panel vans and Fiat have no intentions of carrying out any work to sort the problem.
Needless to say my parting words of our conversation were only 2 words and 7 letters!!!!
Has anybody tried a private effort to cure this terrible issue??
If you ask around it seems that no manufacterer is imune to serious problems. It`s only how they handle them that makes the difference.
As of last weeks conversation with the, as ever so unhelpful,customer relations the story was that only motorhomes are affected, and being worked on, and there is nothing wrong!!!!!!!!!!!! with panel vans and Fiat have no intentions of carrying out any work to sort the problem.
Needless to say my parting words of our conversation were only 2 words and 7 letters!!!!
Has anybody tried a private effort to cure this terrible issue??
If you ask around it seems that no manufacterer is imune to serious problems. It`s only how they handle them that makes the difference.
Hi I have a Burstner two rear axle (tag) 2.8 jtd Ducato. Done just over 30,000 had a new clutch recently because previous owner had to reverse up hill onto his drive with loads of judder. Still judders going backwards especially on an incline like a dog with a bone I did not give up easily trying to find an answer. These are the comments I received, once you get a decent off the record fiat chap who will talk sensibly to you I have been told this problem does not occur on the continent????????? I know what difference does that make. Suggestions that a more beefy engine mounting could be used cannot see it myself ,but who knows ???????? I personally believe it to be a design fault that gets high lighted once you use the Ducato base on a heavier motorhome chassis,I realise its alot of weight to push backwards especially up hill,but I have also found out some vans have a similar problem. I have not yet spoken to any one who owns a new mark three version to see whether fiat have sorted it ,if they have I will endeavour to find what modification they have made and whether that mod can be used in some form to help with the older models,regards Triton
X250 2.2L I have case number re. my complaint about "Juddering in reverse up a slight incline" and arranged a date for Road Test . Prior to this I had Road Test done by an independant garage because of the long delay. It was confirmed quite firmly that there was a problem. A copy of this report was sent to the Fiat Agent and to Head Office. On arrival at Fiat Agents I was advised that the person to whom I had arranged it with (the Service Manager) was not available (not in) and a "Technician would be made available to do the test. After three quarters of an hour I was told no one was prepared to do the Road Test and that I should return the next day when the Service Manager was perhaps "in".
I have written to the Fiat Agent and sent a copy to Head Office asking if I would be correct in assuming that "if they ignore the problem it wii go away".
Judderme!
I have written to the Fiat Agent and sent a copy to Head Office asking if I would be correct in assuming that "if they ignore the problem it wii go away".
Judderme!
Hi, welcome to FF :wave:
The problem seems to be caused by the reverse gearing on the X250 being too high. Does anyone know if the latest production vehicles have been modified?
Tell your dealer you want a heavy duty clutch kit fitted or source one yourself the problem is down to the pressure plate
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Having just had the rear engine mount replaced on my 244 Ducato, that has cured any reverse vibration that I had.
I know the issue is with the X250, but I think that it is the mounting (the rear) that is the root of the issue.
But who am I to comment? I'm only the poor sod that has to spend my life at the wheel of the Ducato, getting it to intergalactic mileages, to help diagnose the faults that you motorhome owners only seem to get driving 3000 miles a year with heavy bodies on chassis.
Oh and I forgot, mine's never maintained, only on the road 300 days a year as certain people have implied in this thread.
If I can be bothered ( and I don't impose a self-imposed sabbatical on myself, caused by chopsy motorhome owners who pay £50k to have something sit on the drive 11 months of the year), I will post up a thread of common faults on the 244 in order to help people who genuinely are appreciative of help.
I think this thread should naturally come to a close.
If people have got a tongue in their head and persistence, they will get the issue sorted with their motorhomes. Fiat can be parted from their funds, as we had an injector issue one month out of warranty and they paid for a Bosch Injection specialist to sort it! It takes persistence but, you'll get there.
I know the issue is with the X250, but I think that it is the mounting (the rear) that is the root of the issue.
But who am I to comment? I'm only the poor sod that has to spend my life at the wheel of the Ducato, getting it to intergalactic mileages, to help diagnose the faults that you motorhome owners only seem to get driving 3000 miles a year with heavy bodies on chassis.
Oh and I forgot, mine's never maintained, only on the road 300 days a year as certain people have implied in this thread.
If I can be bothered ( and I don't impose a self-imposed sabbatical on myself, caused by chopsy motorhome owners who pay £50k to have something sit on the drive 11 months of the year), I will post up a thread of common faults on the 244 in order to help people who genuinely are appreciative of help.
I think this thread should naturally come to a close.
If people have got a tongue in their head and persistence, they will get the issue sorted with their motorhomes. Fiat can be parted from their funds, as we had an injector issue one month out of warranty and they paid for a Bosch Injection specialist to sort it! It takes persistence but, you'll get there.
I agree totally.
This started off as a interesting but like so many others ends up in nothing but arguing, spamming & incorrect information.
Ducato reverse judder
I own a 3 litre Ducato drop side pick up truck with the reverse judder problem. Obviously i have informed Fiat and my local Fiat dealers of the problem. In short (i wont bother with the details) they replied by saying when a fix had been sorted they would recall my truck.
Guess what the warranty has run out and Fiat now say that after extensive testing there has been no fault found with the 3 liter model which is the model i own. What a con.Any advice would be welcome.
many thanks
I own a 3 litre Ducato drop side pick up truck with the reverse judder problem. Obviously i have informed Fiat and my local Fiat dealers of the problem. In short (i wont bother with the details) they replied by saying when a fix had been sorted they would recall my truck.
Guess what the warranty has run out and Fiat now say that after extensive testing there has been no fault found with the 3 liter model which is the model i own. What a con.Any advice would be welcome.
many thanks
Re: Ducato reverse judder
You have been misinformed. There are many 3 litre owners whose vehicles suffer from judder but Fiat have never ever acknowledged its existence. The only vehicle for which a fix is available is for the 2.3 litre; the fix is in two parts - A and B involving stronger engine mountings, a tie bar (Part A) and a new reverse gear (PartB).
There are many 3 litre motorhome owners in contact with Fiat and there is even talk of a demonstration involving a convoy to Fiat HQ but this seems to have fizzled out of late. I know of one owner who is taking Fiat to Court but all has gone quiet on that front possibly because Fiat have done a deal with him.
The short answer to your question is that you can do nothing. You, like the other 3 litre owners, have been well and truly shafted.
You have been misinformed. There are many 3 litre owners whose vehicles suffer from judder but Fiat have never ever acknowledged its existence. The only vehicle for which a fix is available is for the 2.3 litre; the fix is in two parts - A and B involving stronger engine mountings, a tie bar (Part A) and a new reverse gear (PartB).
There are many 3 litre motorhome owners in contact with Fiat and there is even talk of a demonstration involving a convoy to Fiat HQ but this seems to have fizzled out of late. I know of one owner who is taking Fiat to Court but all has gone quiet on that front possibly because Fiat have done a deal with him.
The short answer to your question is that you can do nothing. You, like the other 3 litre owners, have been well and truly shafted.
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Re: Ducato reverse judder
It would be useful if Fiat could inform us that vehicles coming off the production line have now been modified. A lot of people are holding off from buying the Ducato because of this reverse judder problem. I must say that the Ducato is a superb vehicle to drive forwards.
It would be useful if Fiat could inform us that vehicles coming off the production line have now been modified. A lot of people are holding off from buying the Ducato because of this reverse judder problem. I must say that the Ducato is a superb vehicle to drive forwards.
Re: Ducato reverse judder
I have a 2.3 (2008) in Ireland problem with reverse is the gear seems to be too high.If i give it welly it reverses no problem no judder but I feel I am going too fast to be safe.
Is the fix availabe in Ireland and must I fight for it.
I have a 2.3 (2008) in Ireland problem with reverse is the gear seems to be too high.If i give it welly it reverses no problem no judder but I feel I am going too fast to be safe.
Is the fix availabe in Ireland and must I fight for it.
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