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Old 25-08-2013   #1
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cinq engine swap but can't find engine

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this is my first post on here my names nick I drive a audi a3 as a daily car and a fiat cinquecento project car.
Basically everyone is raving about these cinquecento with punto sporting engine 1.2 8v basically I know they do a 60bhp and a 75 I Want to know what year punto do I need for the 75 engine. Also what's best to have mpi or spi? And as much info as Possible about the conversion easiest ways ect. How much of the parts to I need custom made or do most things fit straight in what's needed except engine loom ecu keys ect

Would be great if I get replys and Answer thanks nick
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Re: cinq engine swap but can't find engine

All 75s are MPI, all 60s are SPI. Can't remember the cut off dates, but 1999 seems right.

Ideally, engine (complete as possible -- with the P75 try and get the complete intake and exhaust manifold, for the P60 it matters much less as most things can be swapped). For the 75, as much of the loom as you can, ECU, keys, codebox. There's no real issue with using the Cinq ECU et al on the P60.
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Re: cinq engine swap but can't find engine

Also, look down (or up as the case may be) a couple of posts, ReproBoy recently did a P75 swap and documented it reasonably well
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Re: cinq engine swap but can't find engine

Thank you very much fingers great bit of info there so if I'm doing the p75 I need complete engine as much as possible with exhaust manifold and intake manifold also all wiring keys ecu code box ect also do I need the 75 ecu too

And if I do the 60 setup witch I think is pointless basically most parts are changeable and the ecu I can use the current cinquecento sporting ecu is that correct

Will I need to change any of the engine mounts ect also what about the drive shafts thanks again nick
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Re: cinq engine swap but can't find engine

Drive shafts, gearbox and clutch can stay Cinq (assuming 1108 -- Cinq Sporting). If you're doing this with an 899 Cinq, you're really starting from the wrong place, as the gearbox and driveshafts (and a little more) are different, but it can be done.

I'd not knock the P60 -- for sure, it doesn't -- as standard -- make a lot more power than the 1108, but the extra torque makes the car a lot easier -- and more fun, to drive. And with a P75 cam (many late Mk1s came fitted with one as the factory tried to use up surplus ones) a bigger throttle body and a decent manifold and exhaust they can zip along pretty quickly.
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Re: cinq engine swap but can't find engine

Also consider the 1242 16v or 1368 16v engine.

They are both reasonably priced now !

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Ycming - what power is the 1242 16v & 1368 16v and how much work is required to fit the 16v engine also do you have to change engine mounts drive shafts ect is it much more work than the 1242 8v as if heared they are a good tunable engine. I would be happy with a good 100hp
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Re: cinq engine swap but can't find engine

You should get 100bhp from a good 1.2 16v -- 110 or so from a 16v.

But main expense is manifold and exhaust. They'll both fit with slightly modded Cinq sporting mounts, both fit the Sporting gearbox (use the clutch appropriate to the flywheel on the engine).

Use either the Mk1 Pinto 1242 16v ecu or aftermarket.
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I loved my P75 engine Seicento... On the normal sporting box it went really well... Just make sure you get the ecu, key and code box as the ECU has a transponder immobiliser.
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What would you recommend use a 8v or a 16v what's would be the best to have a little quick 100hp cinq
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Sei16v what do you mean on sporting box. Looking forward in making a good little runner here to to keep up with these just on the redtop corsa ish lol
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Re: cinq engine swap but can't find engine

The 16v will get you to 100hp much cheaper.

both 8v and 16v requires "almost" the same amount of work.

The 16v just needs the wiring sorted out to match the car. And as finger said, the mount needs to grinded down to clear the alternator belt.
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Re: cinq engine swap but can't find engine

They're fun in different ways. A Punto 75 putting out 100bhp will be in a pretty high state of tune, with all that entails. Still, you may find that you really don't need 100bhp.

Short of a turbo, there's little quicker than a 1.4 16v and the stock driveshafts seem to handle it well enough. But it is a more difficult swap than any of the 8v engines, and more expensive: you're looking at at least 1k on tyres, wheels, and suspension for starters.

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Re: cinq engine swap but can't find engine

Thanks for the information guys I think I will stick with the 1242 8v or maybe il do the 1.2 16v what's your opinions. I don't want to do the 1.4 16v to much of a lump for me rather little nippy 1.2 and swe what the out come is. I'm sure I can find cams for either of the engine and also a custom exhaust at my local stainless pro speed exhaust in Cardiff. Also a induction and some sort of chip or map if possible
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Re: cinq engine swap but can't find engine

That's about it what I'd do nothing to drastic to be honest guys set of coilovers and wheels too
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