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Tuning cinq engine swap but can't find engine

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Hi fiat friends
this is my first post on here my names nick I drive a audi a3 as a daily car and a fiat cinquecento project car.
Basically everyone is raving about these cinquecento with punto sporting engine 1.2 8v basically I know they do a 60bhp and a 75 I Want to know what year punto do I need for the 75 engine. Also what's best to have mpi or spi? And as much info as Possible about the conversion easiest ways ect. How much of the parts to I need custom made or do most things fit straight in :) what's needed except engine loom ecu keys ect

Would be great if I get replys and Answer thanks nick
 
All 75s are MPI, all 60s are SPI. Can't remember the cut off dates, but 1999 seems right.

Ideally, engine (complete as possible -- with the P75 try and get the complete intake and exhaust manifold, for the P60 it matters much less as most things can be swapped). For the 75, as much of the loom as you can, ECU, keys, codebox. There's no real issue with using the Cinq ECU et al on the P60.
 
Also, look down (or up as the case may be) a couple of posts, ReproBoy recently did a P75 swap and documented it reasonably well (y)
 
Thank you very much fingers great bit of info there :) so if I'm doing the p75 I need complete engine as much as possible with exhaust manifold and intake manifold also all wiring keys ecu code box ect also do I need the 75 ecu too

And if I do the 60 setup witch I think is pointless basically most parts are changeable and the ecu I can use the current cinquecento sporting ecu is that correct :)

Will I need to change any of the engine mounts ect also what about the drive shafts thanks again nick :D
 
Drive shafts, gearbox and clutch can stay Cinq (assuming 1108 -- Cinq Sporting). If you're doing this with an 899 Cinq, you're really starting from the wrong place, as the gearbox and driveshafts (and a little more) are different, but it can be done.

I'd not knock the P60 -- for sure, it doesn't -- as standard -- make a lot more power than the 1108, but the extra torque makes the car a lot easier -- and more fun, to drive. And with a P75 cam (many late Mk1s came fitted with one as the factory tried to use up surplus ones) a bigger throttle body and a decent manifold and exhaust they can zip along pretty quickly.
 
Ycming - what power is the 1242 16v & 1368 16v and how much work is required to fit the 16v engine also do you have to change engine mounts drive shafts ect is it much more work than the 1242 8v as if heared they are a good tunable engine. I would be happy with a good 100hp :)
 
You should get 100bhp from a good 1.2 16v -- 110 or so from a 16v.

But main expense is manifold and exhaust. They'll both fit with slightly modded Cinq sporting mounts, both fit the Sporting gearbox (use the clutch appropriate to the flywheel on the engine).

Use either the Mk1 Pinto 1242 16v ecu or aftermarket.
 
I loved my P75 engine Seicento... On the normal sporting box it went really well... Just make sure you get the ecu, key and code box as the ECU has a transponder immobiliser.
 
What would you recommend use a 8v or a 16v what's would be the best to have a little quick 100hp cinq
 
Sei16v what do you mean on sporting box. Looking forward in making a good little runner here to to keep up with these just on the redtop corsa ish lol
 
The 16v will get you to 100hp much cheaper.

both 8v and 16v requires "almost" the same amount of work.

The 16v just needs the wiring sorted out to match the car. And as finger said, the mount needs to grinded down to clear the alternator belt.
 
They're fun in different ways. A Punto 75 putting out 100bhp will be in a pretty high state of tune, with all that entails. Still, you may find that you really don't need 100bhp.

Short of a turbo, there's little quicker than a 1.4 16v and the stock driveshafts seem to handle it well enough. But it is a more difficult swap than any of the 8v engines, and more expensive: you're looking at at least £1k on tyres, wheels, and suspension for starters.

Some guidance here.
 
Thanks for the information guys I think I will stick with the 1242 8v or maybe il do the 1.2 16v what's your opinions. I don't want to do the 1.4 16v to much of a lump for me rather little nippy 1.2 and swe what the out come is. I'm sure I can find cams for either of the engine and also a custom exhaust at my local stainless pro speed exhaust in Cardiff. Also a induction and some sort of chip or map if possible
 
I did a thread a few years back covering both 1.2 and 1.4 16v conversions.

Only reason I mention it is I have a whole car with a 1.2 16v going for sale at the moment (see classifieds).

It's got a running 1.2 16v, upgraded front brakes fully reconditioned that you can fit under 14" wheels with brand new vented discs and pads so will serve a good base. Gearbox needs new diff bearings but you can easily fix this for £25 or use your 5 speed box :) .. bet there are a few other bits you could swap over.

Do some reading to see exactly what's involved though :)


1.2 16v is great fun. 1.4 is better, but both are SUCH a difference over the 8v's and are a real blast too drive. I always thought the sportings should have come with the 16v as standard, would have made them really stand out!
 
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I will have a look on classified now to see what it's like be even better to sell what I got and have one made ;) so do you reckon it's better to have a 1.2 16v over a 8v got any reason why may I ask
Thanks
 
I didn't make myself clear. The car in the classifieds is a punto, but you can use a fair few parts from it.

I'd go 16v over 8v any day simply because of the additional power. You;d have to spend a lot more to get an 8v up to the power of the standard 16v unit.
 
Aww right thanks you verymuch thought you ment a cinquecento already converted..

That's a good point really ain't it is the conversion much different converting a 1.2 16 than a 1.2 8v think I'd rather the 16v myself to be honest
 
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