Pep0 said:

as well as replacement drive shafts?

Don't think the factory would have had two build standards e.g. parts ordering would be real fun.

Noel

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Yes. Don't argue, I have a Sei S 1100 and it had the wet inner shafts and so on. It now has a Sporting box. May soon have an MPI Abarth box.............

GOK why they did it that way. I suspect that some parts are the same as the old 899 box, although the bellhousing is clearly different.

In all events, they were built on adjacent production lines...............

Could well be that the release bearing is on its way out. Usually that is the cause of the cable snapping. I doubt the box was broken in the collision (that would almost certainly make it a right off -- huge impact) -- more likely it died because the gaiter went.

There are clips in the remote, too. If any of them shift (unlikely if they're put on properly) gear selection will become very problematic.

Hi sorry that was a question and the consequences. Thank you for the answer.

It looks liks it might be the origonal fit soooooo.....

So Fiat are cowboys and the parts data base need to be looked up with VIN serial number or reg plate?

If the cables are being replaced you will need a new clutch (soon) the cables last ok on intact clutches - mine is on the origonal cable, 10 years and 74k, & 2nd clutch kit.

Sorry

Just to throw some more confusion into the debate; ePer lists two gearboxes for my chassis number, it looks to me like the one I have is the 2nd one...

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Please note I have removed my chassis number from the link so don't navigate away from that page as it will no longer 'remember' my vehicle and it will list all 3 gearboxes

Don't be sorry, I'd rather it was the clutch than the gearbox!

TBH I'm quite surprised the clutch hasn't gone before now, I'm not that gentle with it. But then again I don't ride it or slip it. So I'm not surprised it's the release bearing that's gone (if it has) and not the friction part. I am quite guilty of sitting with the clutch pedal down whilst waiting at the lights.

If it is the clutch that is.

gp3000000 said:

I am quite guilty of sitting with the clutch pedal down whilst waiting at the lights.

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When you get a round to replacing the clutch, release bearing etc.,... you need to avoid depressing the pedal until you need to move the stick.

Otherwise you will be in the same boat - soon - again, the release bearing will seize when it overheats and the syndrome will repeat.

You can get a 2nd hand sporting box with provenance cheap... Like '99 has one about to become available, he will PM you expected £ if you ask...

Noel

FIAT are no worse at this than most.

If you're managing a plant, your job is to get cars out t'other end.

Rover managed things so bady that they'd put heavy deisel cars out with non-vented disks one week, and the baby petrol cars with vented disks the next.

You can bet that 80% of customers were perfectly happy -- until they came to replace the disks!

fingers99 said:

FIAT are no worse at this than most.

If you're managing a plant, your job is to get cars out t'other end.

Rover managed things so bady that they'd put heavy deisel cars out with non-vented disks one week, and the baby petrol cars with vented disks the next.

You can bet that 80% of customers were perfectly happy -- until they came to replace the disks!

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Yes my dad's economic metro had the turbo's vented discs. And my polish friend was a bit cynical about the Sei...

After reading other threads I'd just like to confirm... Do I need 2 litres of oil or 3 litres of oil?!

There seems to be some confusion with the correct figure, with some quoting 1.4 litres while others saying it took 2.4...

I don't want to end up with a half full gearbox and having to get a lift back to the FIAT dealer!

My box needed about 2 1/4 litres... so you do need to buy 3 litres unfortunately. It would probably be fine on 2 litres but I can think of much better corners to cut...

Hi

If you are buying in litre packs you need three. You use just over two litres, the exact amount depending on how much you waste on the drain/fill cycle.

You need to have it level, preferably hot, and you may need to take it for a spin after and check again, and you need to wipe the mag drain plug if you got one.

Noel

Just keep putting it the filler hole till it drops back out again, thne u know it has enough.

Ming

Put the bottles of oil in very hot water before attempting the fill, this will reduce the thickness and make it easier to pour.

Cheers

SPD

Pep0 said:

You use just over two litres, the exact amount depending on how much you waste on the drain/fill cycle.

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How does any get wasted? I thought it would be as simple as

- Remove fill plug
- Remove drain plug
- Let old oil drain into container
- Replace drain plug
- Fill with new oil until it starts coming back out at you.
- Replace fill plug.

Pep0 said:

you need to wipe the mag drain plug if you got one.

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Magnetic drain plug?

Ok just read all your comments, thanks.

Hi

1. You quoted a previous post
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But in this thread Pep0 states its should be "75W/90 oil to meet
API GL5 & Mil-L-2105D specifications"
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that was from the FIAT SPI sporting handbook, I have checked I typed it ok.

2. You may find a lot comes out after you fill it, I donno what I do wrong to get this.

When I drain I start with (a warm gear box) the car nose down a slope trolly jack and axle stand back to level pull the drain plus leave for 30 mins, drop the car back down, leave for 30 mins, jack it back level and fill, leave to dribble for 30 mins, lots of new oil seems to come out.

When I put the plug back I start the engine and run the box in gear, stop it and try adding some more, this is for my other cars that have 'shelves in their boxes that pool oil'.

3. Some boxes may have a small magnet embedded in the drain plug, it will have attracted lots of metallic swarf, if you drain it when the oil is hot you will get more of the non ferromagnetic crud to come out with the more fluid oil.

4. I got a 2nd hand low mileage sporting box for 55 GBP, from a forum member. My box makes strange noises, like shot final gears...

Noel
If the plastic bottles that the oil comes in are cold it is more difficult to squeeze them, David's suggestion is a really good one.

Pep0 said:

When I drain I start with the car nose down a slope trolly jack and axle stand back to level

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I don't understand this bit, so is the car pointing nose down or is it level when you drain?

Pep0 said:

jack it back level and fill, leave to dribble for 30 mins, lots of new oil seems to come out.

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What happens if you just stick the fill plug back in without leaving it to dribble? Will the box have too much oil in?

gp3000000 said:

I don't understand this bit, so is the car pointing nose down or is it level when you drain??

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Both I drain it level and then nose down, to try and get as much oil and any other crud out as possible, depends on the box if you get out more or not.

gp3000000 said:

What happens if you just stick the fill plug back in without leaving it to dribble? Will the box have too much oil in?

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Possibly, you can overfill it, if you squeese the plastic bottle too much, the oil is quite viscous, if it is cold, hence David's heating it in hot water. The tube from the plastic bottle dispenser tends to block the opening and only allow air out, I make lots of mistakes.

Noel

Overfill it and i the excess will try and go somewhere. If you're lucky it will go out of the breather. If not, it may blow a seal and contaminate the clutch.