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Re: very awkward to fill tank past 7/8.

I suspect the nozzles found on Italian Forecourts are of a different crank / bend to ours,
hence the issues..,
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Re: very awkward to fill tank past 7/8.

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it's a common feature on the latest generation of cars..latest KA has ..so maybe the lil'500 will have it soon too..??,
I suspect a thread on which Fuel companys nozzles work best may be helpful..,
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Is the KA's system the same as the 500L's though?

I have just had a look at my daughters 13 plate KA Edge and it looks different. For one it looks like the filler top and flap is plastic and it doesn't look as neat a fit for the nozzle.

Plus of course it has a traditional petrol cap which the 500L doesn't. Or are the even later KA's the same as the 500L perhaps?

The 500L system is very much like this one on an Ypsilon

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Re: very awkward to fill tank past 7/8.

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Is the KA's system the same as the 500L's though?

I have just had a look at my daughters 13 plate KA Edge and it looks different. For one it looks like the filler top and flap is plastic and it doesn't look as neat a fit for the nozzle.

Plus of course it has a traditional petrol cap which the 500L doesn't. Or are the even later KA's the same as the 500L perhaps?

The 500L system is very much like this one on an Ypsilon

Is the 500L your comparing to KA with Petrol also? Or Diesel

EDIT, just released the pic isn't a KA

Ford system has been around longer than Fiats, so suspect its going to be their own part on each model rather than a joint venture?
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Is the 500L your comparing to KA with Petrol also? Or Diesel
Both petrol.
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Re: very awkward to fill tank past 7/8.

Posting back as promised -

Filled up today at our local ASDA. Filled to the point that the pump first clicked off, no further (this is what I normally do). Gauge showed bang on full.

So it looks to me as if there is a possible issue with the OP's tank not venting properly when it's being filled.

Of course it could be an issue with the pumps being faulty too but this seems unlikely given I read the issue as happening at different sites.
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Re: very awkward to fill tank past 7/8.

Hi Martin,
do you think you could post a pic of the angle of the filler in your car next time you're there..,
may be good to compare notes..!!,
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Re: very awkward to fill tank past 7/8.

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Hi Martin,
do you think you could post a pic of the angle of the filler in your car next time you're there..,
may be good to compare notes..!!,
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Shouldn't be using phones or other electronic devices on forecourts
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Shouldn't be using phones or other electronic devices on forecourts
my old camera's still clockwork..

point taken..,
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do you think you could post a pic of the angle of the filler in your car next time you're there..,
may be good to compare notes..!!,
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It was just fully inserted with the handle pointing down.

I did try to see if it could be rotated in the filler but I was pulled up with the pump on the passenger side (the forecourt was busy) and there was insufficient play in the pipe as it was at it's full extension.
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Re: very awkward to fill tank past 7/8.

handle pointed down is enough info really, ( that at ASDA .. - YES..??)

where as the mk2 panto's required a bit of agility,

sounds as if the modern fitting is - may be - an improvement,
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handle pointed down is enough info really, ( that at ASDA .. - YES..??)

where as the mk2 panto's required a bit of agility,

sounds as if the modern fitting is - may be - an improvement,
thanks for posting.

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ASDA yes.

It's a very new one that only opened last June all 'Pay at Pump' no cashier. Not that that should make any real difference of course.
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Re: very awkward to fill tank past 7/8.

The chosen forecourt should make little or no difference as most nozzles are made by the same company. Busier forecourts may suffer more wear/abuse.

The nozzle, if you look into the end has two holes, the large one to deliver the fuel and the small one to actuate the cut-off. As the fuel is delivered, a vacuum is created in the small hole. When fuel arrives at the nozzle end it is sucked into the hole and activates the cut-off valve. One than has been dropped, restricting the hole, can be a real pain. Turning the nozzle upside down, places this hole uppermost, so reducing the likelihood of splash clicking it off.

If getting it full is an issue, when it first clicks, wait a few seconds, withdraw the nozzle to allow the air pressure to escape, reinsert and try again.

Ford created the easy-fuel system. Petrol nozzles are smaller diameter than the diesel and petrol filler necks have been smaller for some time to try to prevent filling with diesel fuel. But it has always been possible to fill a diesel with petrol, until easy-fuel. Three catches in the filler neck are released by the nozzle to allow the flap to open. The bigger nozzle will not fit, neither will a petrol nozzle open a diesel filler. Syphoning it out is also difficult. Each car should be supplied with a funnel that will open the flap in case of filling from a can. Although they do look useful in case of toilet emergencies too.
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Re: very awkward to fill tank past 7/8.

My car is still really difficult to get fuel into.

Recently at Auchan in Calais it clicked off several times to only show 3/4 full. I then got only 5 more litres in by literally tickling the trigger before it was spilling out of the tank. It slowly increased from 7/8 to full indicated over about 5 miles and then didn't move from full for about 150 miles!

Went to the dealer today and they went to the filling station with me. Surprise surprise one of the 2/10 times happened where it filled Ok and showed full so I couldn't demonstrate the fault. However they actually discovered another way the problem can display itself as the tank dropped by 1/8 3 miles after leaving the dealership.

There must be some sort of an airlock/breathing problem

On my holiday across Europe I did 2600 miles and visited several filling stations. It only filled Ok once.

1 year and 4 months the problem has occurred... dealer has looked at it 3 times but has no clue. The new lady on the dealer's reception is a bit rude. Can't recommend FIAT or the 500L unless FIAT can get this sorted for me. I have just raised a case with them..
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