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500 TA 0.9 air filter

Hi - anyone bobbed an aftermarket filter on? Like K&N?
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Re: 500 TA 0.9 air filter

When I replace ours, it'll be a KN.
http://www.knfilters.co.uk/search/pr...x?prod=33-2981
I checked the air filter last summer, but it was clean, so didn't replace it. I'll be checking again in the next few months.

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Re: 500 TA 0.9 air filter

Hi I installed a k&n in my 2013 from new and well worth it
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Re: 500 TA 0.9 air filter

Also did mine this year.
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Hi I installed a k&n in my 2013 from new and well worth it
Why...??
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Also did mine this year.
A clean paperfilter allows more air into an engine than any oiled so called "sports" filter.
An oiled, cotton filter, like K&N is a good sollution when driving under extreme dust conditions, all the rest is nonsense.
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Re: 500 TA 0.9 air filter

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A clean paperfilter allows more air into an engine than any oiled so called "sports" filter.
An oiled, cotton filter, like K&N is a good sollution when driving under extreme dust conditions, all the rest is nonsense.
Do you have up-to-date figures for this?

In my car tuning days in the 80s and 90s - carburetta - the filter to use for performance was K&N. Recommended by all in sundry. Car and Conversions did a piece on them extolling their virtues for air-flow.

Your comment surprises me. Not saying it's wrong, but it goes against anything I read back then.

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Re: 500 TA 0.9 air filter

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Do you have up-to-date figures for this?

In my car tuning days in the 80s and 90s - carburetta - the filter to use for performance was K&N. Recommended by all in sundry. Car and Conversions did a piece on them extolling their virtues for air-flow.

Your comment surprises me. Not saying it's wrong, but it goes against anything I read back then.

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The only time airflow matters is when you're running with the throttle wide open.

The rest of the time, the air filter has no effect whatsoever on performance.
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Re: 500 TA 0.9 air filter

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The only time airflow matters is when you're running with the throttle wide open.
The rest of the time, the air filter has no effect whatsoever on performance.
Yes, of course. So much is obvious.

It's the available power that matters. K&N filters have better air-flow.

............. at least that is what I have been told. It seems that Peter Pick-Up disagrees with my info (not that I have any figures).

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Re: 500 TA 0.9 air filter

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It seems that Peter Pick-Up disagrees with my info (not that I have any figures).
You could probably find an article somewhere on the internet to support either argument, but this one at least appears to have some testing behind it, and would seem to support Peter's argument.

To cut to the chase, I'll quote this from that piece of lab testing:

Compared to the AC, the K&N “plugged up” nearly 3 times faster, passed 18 times more dirt and captured 37% less dirt

Personally I'd be much more concerned about the filter's ability to stop dirt entering the engine, and on that measure, the K&N panel filters appear to lose hands-down over a decent quality paper filter such as one made by MANN.

Another consideration for TA owners is that there have been a number of multiair failures reported here; and (regardless of whether it actually had anything to do with it or not), Fiat would likely refuse to replace one under warranty if there were any signs of tampering with the OEM air filter installation.
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Re: 500 TA 0.9 air filter

Thanks JR.
Looks like K&N are off the shopping list.

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Re: 500 TA 0.9 air filter

I'm going to chuck my own hat in the ring here, I've been using K&N replacement air filters since 2007 without any ill effects whatsoever. Ok, this is only my own experience, but only two weeks ago, I took the one I have in my Saab 9-3 out, washed it and re-oiled it using the correct K&N recharge kit and there's no issues.

It's like anything, there's so much out there for and against. I didn't ever use one in our previous TA or the POP, because both cars were in warranty and indeed, I won't put one in our i10 because that has a five year warranty and it's on a service plan.

As for using one on the TA, well I would feel somewhat cautious because of the engine technology. On our previous POP, for the standard 1.2 engine, I'd have used one, no problem. On something like the standard common rail Fiat diesel engine fitted in my Saab, not really an issue, nor was it an issue when I had one fitted in my Chrysler a few years back. Indeed, I actually still have that K&N cone filter for my old Chrysler, still in excellent condition in its original box, sat in the garage, must sell!

Personally, if you want to use one, go ahead as long as you understand what if any benefits using one might give. As I've highlighted before, I wouldn't use one in a car still in warranty, but that is me.
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K&N and it's rivals are designed for big, caburated V-8 engines, racing in USA desserts, to keep sand out of those 4 barrel cabs....
They are a complete waste of money in small, European, fuel injected engines.
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Re: 500 TA 0.9 air filter

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K&N and it's rivals are designed for big, caburated V-8 engines, racing in USA desserts, to keep sand out of those 4 barrel cabs....
They are a complete waste of money in small, European, fuel injected engines.
I use them because I service my own car and it saves me 12 a time replacing the paper filters, not because I've ever believed using one will give me more bhp. You're focusing on claims of extra 'power' and as we all know and which you've already stated, for that particular purpose, are most likely a complete waste of money.
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Re: 500 TA 0.9 air filter

Quote Originally Posted by Peter Pick-Up View Post
K&N and it's rivals are designed for big, caburated V-8 engines, racing in USA desserts, to keep sand out of those 4 barrel cabs....
They are a complete waste of money in small, European, fuel injected engines.
Except all the tests show poor filtration. Here's another one:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest2.htm

I don't use one in my Jeep precisely because I don't trust their filtering.

They aren't a waste of money as people like frupi are doing it apparently to save money.

I think people living in the damp UK don't have a lot to worry about as far as dust filtration (when you stop the dust overtakes you and gets into the filter - this shot was taken in winter, hence the relatively low dust trail):
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