Technical 28IMB Idle jet sizes

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Technical 28IMB Idle jet sizes

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I've been troubleshooting an intermittent problem which relates to fuel supply. Whilst chasing the issue, I tuned in to a video posted by an illustrious ex-Fiat 500 owner who has now moved on to (amongst other cars) a Ferrari. In the course of sorting out the four (I think) massive Weber carbs which are fitted to the Ferrari engine, a real expert was enlisted to give advice. Amongst that advice was an observation that in the specific case being discussed, it was probably wise to increase the idle jet size slightly, due to modern, ethanol fuel containing less energy the the equivalent 100+ RON petrol which the car was designed to run on.

Back to my car; one of the symptoms is that the spark-plugs give me a rough idea that the engine is running a bit weak. So I looked at my carb,, which currently, is a 28IMB-1 on a 594 engine The idle jet is 0.45mm, and it bears signs of compression damage, possibly by being misaligned in its seat. Consequently it needs binning. I checked two of my later carbs, one being a 28IMB-12, and they are jetted with a 0.5mm. One of these jets also had damage to the bifurcations which secure it in its holder. Under the magnifying glass, that one also looks dodgy, so will also be binned. As in the Goldilocks story, the third one is just right, so I fitted it and went for a run.

I expected the mixture to need adjustment and it did. It was noticeable that I could get a deliberate, really slow and steady tickover before adustment. Being so slow, I was easily able to get the optimum point at which the engine ran smoothly. The mixture screw was about one and half turns out and now it's at just less than one and a quarter. After that there was an obvious point at which the idle screw achieved the best, normal tickover speed.

I will need to do some proper driving before I can be sure that this was a good move. As the idle jet is partly involved in fueling over quite a wide range of engine speeds, I suspect that it will affect performance and fuel consumption. The distorted jet may even have been the cause of my problems. But it maybe illustrates that a close inspection of these tiny components, which I have always taken for granted, does not go amiss.
 

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Peter; According to my 'bookof words' the 'factory' setting for the '595' engine was a:-- 0.45mm, with a 1.25mm main jet. Being that Fiat deliberately 'de-tuned' the 595 engine in the 500R as, due its lighter weight, it proved to be faster than the Mk1 '126' with the same engine, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if you find that you can go up 1 size on both the main and the low-speed jets.The strange thing is, in the 'Haynes' manuals they give the jets in the 595 by size, but for the 652, they give the jet size by number! This makes it difficult to correlate the 2 sets of jets
 
Peter; According to my 'bookof words' the 'factory' setting for the '595' engine was a:-- 0.45mm, with a 1.25mm main jet. Being that Fiat deliberately 'de-tuned' the 595 engine in the 500R as, due its lighter weight, it proved to be faster than the Mk1 '126' with the same engine, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if you find that you can go up 1 size on both the main and the low-speed jets.The strange thing is, in the 'Haynes' manuals they give the jets in the 595 by size, but for the 652, they give the jet size by number! This makes it difficult to correlate the 2 sets of jets

I think the numbers are just the jet sizes without the decimal point.
The 28IMB12/250 did have the bigger idle jet (as I've found) and has a smaller main jet to match :bang: .....1.15. So I probably have the bigger arrangement already. I'll see how it goes.
 
Delving around on the spares shelves I came across a Weber 30ICF, as fitted to my 900e camper. I was intrigued to see a similar layout to the 28IMB, with an identical idle jet fitting. Extracting the holder you can see that this also has a 0.45 jet.:confused:

To the untutored such as me, it is odd how these jet sizes can be the same or even smaller, despite being fitted to larger engines.....more research needed I think:)
 

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When I put my (slightly) re-bored 652cc '126' engine back together, I initially left the carb 'as was'. It ran like a dog! it got to the point that it was an embarresment at traffic lights--I never knew exactly how it was going to perform. I then fitted a SMALLER slow running jet---problem solved! The technical reason that I was given for this was that the bigger engine (an extra 7cc--it was bored to 77.4mm) had slightly more 'suck', which therefore pulled more fuel through the jet, thereby allowing a slightly smaller (just 1 size) slow running jet to be fitted--problem solved; it will idle away for as long as I leave it now.
 
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