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Technical Engine running hot and lack of hot air in cabin
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Technical Engine running hot and lack of hot air in cabin
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Just got off of the phone to the garage, engine has been stripped, head reskimmed (said it was quite badly warped), gasket refitted (apparently it was #4 cylinder that had gone).
They'll either have it all back together tomorrow, or the weekend at the very latest.
They said the core plugs are totally fine and there is no need to replace them.
Nearly there again with the cars now!
They'll either have it all back together tomorrow, or the weekend at the very latest.
They said the core plugs are totally fine and there is no need to replace them.
Nearly there again with the cars now!
Get that in writing!!
See .. told ya it would jump be Warp Factor Head
NOT
SPLiTTy BLoCK . . .
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SPLiTTy BLoCK . . .
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Personally, im looking forwards to the oil and coolant change...
I hope I have a weekend of car tinkering ahead of me!
I hope I have a weekend of car tinkering ahead of me!
HuH!?Personally, im looking forwards to the oil and coolant change...
I hope I have a weekend of car tinkering ahead of me!
SURELY the garage will do that as part of the head job. . . .
You should be getting your T-Cut and Wax out . . .
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Yeah, thats what I meant..
I don't have to change it myself
I should indeed be getting the T-cut and Wax out, but food comes first
I suppose I could always wash the one Im selling though
Still have things to transplant too.
I don't have to change it myself
I should indeed be getting the T-cut and Wax out, but food comes first
I suppose I could always wash the one Im selling though
Still have things to transplant too.
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I've read through this post, and although the head warped, gasket failed, why did it over heat in the first place?
I'm not sure which way around the water is pumped on a FIRE engine, but if the thermostat has failed 'shut' (unusual but it does happen), could this have been the source of the original problem.
Also the sensor for the fan is at the bottom of the radiator, so if the hot water isn't getting through from the head the fan won't come on, although the top tube may be hot because of the bleedhole in the thermostat.
Lets put it this way.
I bought a 1108 where a garage had done all manner of **** to this engine to get it to run properly. The owner picked it up with the themostat still stuck shut. 30km later car overheats, rings and piston 'meld'.
Garages employ robots, who usually start to work on your car before thinking about it.
I'm not sure which way around the water is pumped on a FIRE engine, but if the thermostat has failed 'shut' (unusual but it does happen), could this have been the source of the original problem.
Also the sensor for the fan is at the bottom of the radiator, so if the hot water isn't getting through from the head the fan won't come on, although the top tube may be hot because of the bleedhole in the thermostat.
Lets put it this way.
I bought a 1108 where a garage had done all manner of **** to this engine to get it to run properly. The owner picked it up with the themostat still stuck shut. 30km later car overheats, rings and piston 'meld'.
Garages employ robots, who usually start to work on your car before thinking about it.
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Good thinking.
Im not sure what caused it in the first place - now I think of it, the water was pretty brown when I picked her up so it could have been knackered when I bought it, which I only made worse.
All I can remember is that it overheated because all the coolant was being leaked out between the exhaust manifold and the Cat joint. I remember looking under the car when the engine was running, and seeing a long trickling of water coming out. Up shot the temp gauge, over I pulled and put in 2.5 litres of Evian and warped the head
The water is pumped from the engine into the top of the rad and out the bottom of the rad into the engine.
Anyway,the UCFUno is still at the garage (don't ask)... however... the LGD one has now also started losing water. Not fast, but it is noticeable.
Im not sure what caused it in the first place - now I think of it, the water was pretty brown when I picked her up so it could have been knackered when I bought it, which I only made worse.
All I can remember is that it overheated because all the coolant was being leaked out between the exhaust manifold and the Cat joint. I remember looking under the car when the engine was running, and seeing a long trickling of water coming out. Up shot the temp gauge, over I pulled and put in 2.5 litres of Evian and warped the head
The water is pumped from the engine into the top of the rad and out the bottom of the rad into the engine.
Anyway,the UCFUno is still at the garage (don't ask)... however... the LGD one has now also started losing water. Not fast, but it is noticeable.
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The Cat is the "Catalytic convertor" thingy, the cylinder that sits between the exhaust manifold and the exhaust back box, and turns the fumes and chemicals from the engine, into rainbows and pixie dust.
No-one actually knows for sure what are inside Cats, as they are mined from the ground rather than manufactured in a factory. Most modern cars do not have catalytic convertors as the car industry had run out of profitable Cat mines, and instead had to improve engines as to not require them.
Invented by Wolfgang Amadeus Motzart on his 14th birthday (27th January 1770), they were originally designed to let people breathe whilst escaping the fumes from a fire. A few days before his birthday, Motzartwas unlucky enough to find himself in the middle of a house fire after he had returned home from a night out with his composer mates, and decided that as he was ravenously hunrgy, a feast of roast pig was required. He lit the fire under the spit and set the hog up, before pouring a nice glass of scotch and blackcurrant, and returning to his favorite chair where he promptly fell asleep.
He awoke short of breath as his apartment crashed and burned around him after the pig wasn't rotated. He was somewhat perplexed and intregued as his pet cat was wandering around fine, seemingly oblivious to the plumes of smoking pig flesh and burning ceiling lintels.
Something about the cat was special.
Whether it was the fumes causing his lightheadedness, or perhaps the desperation of being burnt alive; Mozart had a brainwave.
He picked up the cat, pressed his lips to the cat's rear-end and inhaled sharply.
The cool oxygen hit the back of Mozart's throat like a nice cold beer. Mozart had realised that somehow the cat's insides were filtering out the fumes and smoke, and turning it into clean and breathable oxygen (even if it did have slightly fishy taste to it).
The original catalytic convertors were called cats, as that was all they were.
Just a cat on a pipe.
After numerous reports of backfiring or exploding cats, Mozart had to go back to the drawing board, and developed an entirely man-made Cat out of parts of an old piano he had laying around.
Unfortunatly, he had an accident resulting in the total loss of all memories and plans for the manmade cat.
Fortunatly, he tripped over one whilst out walking one day, and discovered the first cat mine.
Not many people know that.
No-one actually knows for sure what are inside Cats, as they are mined from the ground rather than manufactured in a factory. Most modern cars do not have catalytic convertors as the car industry had run out of profitable Cat mines, and instead had to improve engines as to not require them.
Invented by Wolfgang Amadeus Motzart on his 14th birthday (27th January 1770), they were originally designed to let people breathe whilst escaping the fumes from a fire. A few days before his birthday, Motzartwas unlucky enough to find himself in the middle of a house fire after he had returned home from a night out with his composer mates, and decided that as he was ravenously hunrgy, a feast of roast pig was required. He lit the fire under the spit and set the hog up, before pouring a nice glass of scotch and blackcurrant, and returning to his favorite chair where he promptly fell asleep.
He awoke short of breath as his apartment crashed and burned around him after the pig wasn't rotated. He was somewhat perplexed and intregued as his pet cat was wandering around fine, seemingly oblivious to the plumes of smoking pig flesh and burning ceiling lintels.
Something about the cat was special.
Whether it was the fumes causing his lightheadedness, or perhaps the desperation of being burnt alive; Mozart had a brainwave.
He picked up the cat, pressed his lips to the cat's rear-end and inhaled sharply.
The cool oxygen hit the back of Mozart's throat like a nice cold beer. Mozart had realised that somehow the cat's insides were filtering out the fumes and smoke, and turning it into clean and breathable oxygen (even if it did have slightly fishy taste to it).
The original catalytic convertors were called cats, as that was all they were.
Just a cat on a pipe.
After numerous reports of backfiring or exploding cats, Mozart had to go back to the drawing board, and developed an entirely man-made Cat out of parts of an old piano he had laying around.
Unfortunatly, he had an accident resulting in the total loss of all memories and plans for the manmade cat.
Fortunatly, he tripped over one whilst out walking one day, and discovered the first cat mine.
Not many people know that.
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Ah, Ok, gotcha. Catalytic converter. On a FIRE 999cc uno. Really?
As far as the core plugs go, as Rawhill says, get it in writing!!!
Engine has to come out to do all the core plugs. Given the option of having to pull an engine out after doing a HG, I'd probably say that the core plugs are OK if asked, because once it's out you'd start to wonder why you didn't just swap it out with a known goody to start with.
Anyway, hope it goes all OK for you, but the idea of paying mechanics by the hour working on a 20 year old Italian car that has engine damage FREAKS THE **** OUT OF ME!!!!
I don't mean to be posting bad news or stuff, but if the head is damaged from overheating, what about the cylinder bores, the rings, all the rubber hoses etc...it's not as if the 999cc engine is worth working on once damaged, there's enough of 'em floating about.
I put a 1108 in a 45s. Very satisfying that 20% is to be sure!!!
As far as the core plugs go, as Rawhill says, get it in writing!!!
Engine has to come out to do all the core plugs. Given the option of having to pull an engine out after doing a HG, I'd probably say that the core plugs are OK if asked, because once it's out you'd start to wonder why you didn't just swap it out with a known goody to start with.
Anyway, hope it goes all OK for you, but the idea of paying mechanics by the hour working on a 20 year old Italian car that has engine damage FREAKS THE **** OUT OF ME!!!!
I don't mean to be posting bad news or stuff, but if the head is damaged from overheating, what about the cylinder bores, the rings, all the rubber hoses etc...it's not as if the 999cc engine is worth working on once damaged, there's enough of 'em floating about.
I put a 1108 in a 45s. Very satisfying that 20% is to be sure!!!
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At the end of the day, I have needed it done for as cheaply as possible, until my next pay cheque.
Even if it now only works for two weeks before a core plug goes, I'll be happy as I will have gotten paid, and will be able to say to the garage "You said all the core plugs were fine".
It they decide to be tossers about it, I'll find another garage.
You do know that the engine wasn't actually removed, but the engine opened instead and repaired that way, right?
edit - just rang the garage, all is ready now!
Even if it now only works for two weeks before a core plug goes, I'll be happy as I will have gotten paid, and will be able to say to the garage "You said all the core plugs were fine".
It they decide to be tossers about it, I'll find another garage.
You do know that the engine wasn't actually removed, but the engine opened instead and repaired that way, right?
edit - just rang the garage, all is ready now!
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I will endevour to make a recording for you
Just need to swap the insurances over on the two cars now, then she is all good to go!
Just need to swap the insurances over on the two cars now, then she is all good to go!
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Garage rang me to say that they were going to be open 'til 7 tonight so I could collect it after work. However, upon me leaving work, they said they were all done and closing up, but would be happy to drop the car off at my house for me.
So they did, and I'm back to having two Unos again!
Total cost came to £225
A bit over, which is somewhat annoying, but £25 isn't the end of the world. They said I could settle up tomorrow, on my trip to work.
Labour was £90
Parts (heat set, head bolts, oil, coolant and head skim) was £102.04
Plus vat.
Anyway, car back now. :slayer:
2 things I have learnt:
1) Stop before the car temp goes in to the red. If something is obviously wrong, stop driving, let it cool down and see what could be wrong.
2) Don't pour cold water into an overheated-due-to-no-coolant engine as the water will rush into the block and warp it.
So they did, and I'm back to having two Unos again!
Total cost came to £225
A bit over, which is somewhat annoying, but £25 isn't the end of the world. They said I could settle up tomorrow, on my trip to work.
Labour was £90
Parts (heat set, head bolts, oil, coolant and head skim) was £102.04
Plus vat.
Anyway, car back now. :slayer:
2 things I have learnt:
1) Stop before the car temp goes in to the red. If something is obviously wrong, stop driving, let it cool down and see what could be wrong.
2) Don't pour cold water into an overheated-due-to-no-coolant engine as the water will rush into the block and warp it.
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The Cat is the "Catalytic convertor" thingy, the cylinder that sits between the exhaust manifold and the exhaust back box, and turns the fumes and chemicals from the engine, into rainbows and pixie dust.
No-one actually knows for sure what are inside Cats, as they are mined from the ground rather than manufactured in a factory. Most modern cars do not have catalytic convertors as the car industry had run out of profitable Cat mines, and instead had to improve engines as to not require them.
Invented by Wolfgang Amadeus Motzart on his 14th birthday (27th January 1770), they were originally designed to let people breathe whilst escaping the fumes from a fire. A few days before his birthday, Motzartwas unlucky enough to find himself in the middle of a house fire after he had returned home from a night out with his composer mates, and decided that as he was ravenously hunrgy, a feast of roast pig was required. He lit the fire under the spit and set the hog up, before pouring a nice glass of scotch and blackcurrant, and returning to his favorite chair where he promptly fell asleep.
He awoke short of breath as his apartment crashed and burned around him after the pig wasn't rotated. He was somewhat perplexed and intregued as his pet cat was wandering around fine, seemingly oblivious to the plumes of smoking pig flesh and burning ceiling lintels.
Something about the cat was special.
Whether it was the fumes causing his lightheadedness, or perhaps the desperation of being burnt alive; Mozart had a brainwave.
He picked up the cat, pressed his lips to the cat's rear-end and inhaled sharply.
The cool oxygen hit the back of Mozart's throat like a nice cold beer. Mozart had realised that somehow the cat's insides were filtering out the fumes and smoke, and turning it into clean and breathable oxygen (even if it did have slightly fishy taste to it).
The original catalytic convertors were called cats, as that was all they were.
Just a cat on a pipe.
After numerous reports of backfiring or exploding cats, Mozart had to go back to the drawing board, and developed an entirely man-made Cat out of parts of an old piano he had laying around.
Unfortunatly, he had an accident resulting in the total loss of all memories and plans for the manmade cat.
Fortunatly, he tripped over one whilst out walking one day, and discovered the first cat mine.
Not many people know that.
I think this deserves some kind of an award
I found a slightly different summary at [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter[/ame]
Main points: invented by Eugene Houdry in the '50s - gets its name from the catalytic action of precious metals - fitted to most modern cars (usually, there is more than one cat) - fitted to the Uno after 1992 for the UK market (and earlier for other markets).
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I havent driven it more than 1.5 meters yet (reversing it closer to my house)
Need to switch the insurance policy over to the new car.
Need to get some cash in to do that first.
It all looks new and shiney if that helps!
Need to switch the insurance policy over to the new car.
Need to get some cash in to do that first.
It all looks new and shiney if that helps!
