Technical X290 stalls on start

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Technical X290 stalls on start

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Hi!

My 2015, 3.0 ducato x250 has suddenly developed an issue.
I starts fine but straight away is lumpy and stalls within seconds.
No engine warning messages, starter battery is charged and fine.
I suspected the alternator and checked the battery top fuses. All OK. Any ideas?
Thanks
 
Hi!

My 2015, 3.0 ducato x250 has suddenly developed an issue.
I starts fine but straight away is lumpy and stalls within seconds.
No engine warning messages, starter battery is charged and fine.
I suspected the alternator and checked the battery top fuses. All OK. Any ideas?
Thanks
Fuel? Can you hear the pump in the tank on turning key to first position?
Air? Have you disturbed the fuel filter recently?
 
Does it immediately start, then immediately stall without you touching the pedal? Then what happens when you go to start it again.
 
Does it immediately start, then immediately stall without you touching the pedal? Then what happens when you go to start it again.
Hi
OK just tested it .. it actually started .. it hadn't all afternoon. It ticked over nicely. As soon as I increased the revs slightly, it stalled. Now does start and stalls straight away?
 
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1.5 litres is a considerable amount of water. It seems possible that it may reach or come close to the filter outlet. It could be drawn into the mass air flow meter, causing damage there, before reaching the turbo. It is likely that a small quantity of water could collect in the turbo. I do not know whether the turbo rotates at tickover but if it does then droplets could by created, with moisture being drawn into the engine via the intercooler.

Another possibility is that filter debris is partially blocking the turbo inlet pipe. This could lead to the engine being starved of air immediately after starting. @IceVovo has reported on a similar problem, with a partially blocked turbo inlet hose.

In conclusion if it was my vehicle, I would be wanting to be sure that the turbo was dry.and that the input hose was clear. Unfortunately not an easy task on most engines.

Perhaps someone else has different thoughts?
 
I doubt the turbo will not contain any water due to the heat it gets to. Any water would soon be turned to steam, where it would become water again in the intercooler. To pull of the lowest pipe of the intercooler would be easy enough.

Have you recently drive in very heavy rain? Or is the top of the air filter box not fitted properly?

Have you checked for a water drain in bottom of the air filter housing?
 
Hi

I agree with the other contributors. The symptoms you describe suggest either a lack of fuel or a lack of air. Has the vehicle been parked up for a period ?

Idling doesn't need much fuel or air, but as you rev up (especially under load) the demand for both goes up.

A lack of fuel could be due to insufficient common rail pressure, due to the HP pump not producing enough or a component allowing a considerable leakback. If the pressure drops too low with the engine running, the ECU will prevent injection, however this will trigger a warning and a fuel pressure fault code which you haven't reported. Also, this kind of fault tends to come on gradually rather than suddenly. Another possibility is a poor electrical connection to one or more injectors, especially if they have been sat in damp conditions. They take quite a high current so connections must be good.

A lack of air could be any kind of severe blockage/restriction in the air intake system, e.g. mouse chewed air filter or debris sucked in from this, collapsed hose ahead of the turbo, throttle body flap stuck closed. The air intake system is normally designed to avoid water being sucked into the engine but I guess it is still possible. The amount you report is rather a lot, and I can't immediaely think how it could have entered. You should be able to remove at least some of the large flexible air hoses and check what's going on. Follow the air circuit in sequence:

Air Intake
Air Filter
Mass Air Flow Sensor
Turbocharger (yes this spins fairly fast even at idle)
Intercooler (Heat Exchanger) Debris is unlikely to travel through the fine tubes in this
Motorised Throttle Body
Intake Manifold

The attached picture is the view looking at the rear of the engine.
 

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I doubt the turbo will not contain any water due to the heat it gets to. Any water would soon be turned to steam, where it would become water again in the intercooler. To pull of the lowest pipe of the intercooler would be easy enough.

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Yes, but that only applies if the engine runs for sufficent time, which does not seem to be happening?
 
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