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What do you expect them to do? It's no fault of the car if some idiot buys a diesel and expects to do only 2-3 mile journeys every time they get in it. It's user error, not Fiats.
So, you buy a car with an unknown issue (as i said never owned diesels, never heard of dpf) bought the car from the dealer with the brief of "village use car" to be used between villages and in village to and from school. The supplying dealer even turned us away from a new colour therapy in favour of the sport mjtd and im the idiot? My apologies for been a ****wit, guess you have never bought a pile of **** then that's not fit for purpose? All manufactures/ dealers want to be bloody ashamed of themselves for producing this frankly ****e ill thought out design!
So you've access to the internet, have even managed to find a car forum, and before parting with a vast quantity of your money you decided not to research what you were about to buy 
How many people do you know who only drive locally and own a Diesel? I know I know none, and I know a lot of people.
As I've said there is nothing wrong with the car if used as designed, all cars are designed. Not denying salesman should have made to aware of this if you did make them full aware of the short journeys the car would be doing, but thats something between you and them, not I.
How many people do you know who only drive locally and own a Diesel? I know I know none, and I know a lot of people.
As I've said there is nothing wrong with the car if used as designed, all cars are designed. Not denying salesman should have made to aware of this if you did make them full aware of the short journeys the car would be doing, but thats something between you and them, not I.
I don't agree, the average joe knows nothing about dpf's or their pitfalls, they shouldn't need to! I think you are being too defensive about a flawed design. So when you buy a diesel should the dealer really quiz you about your intended mileage etc and say 'dont buy this car - it will give you trouble because your mileage is too low' I've never heard of that happening. I also know plenty of people who drive diesels from other Marques who don't have any dpf issues although their use is minimal urban driving. If it's such an obvious pitfall of modern diesels then the onus is on manufacturers and dealers to inform potential buyers.
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So you've access to the internet, have even managed to find a car forum, and before parting with a vast quantity of your money you decided not to research what you were about to buy
How many people do you know who only drive locally and own a Diesel? I know I know none, and I know a lot of people.
As I've said there is nothing wrong with the car if used as designed, all cars are designed. Not denying salesman should have made to aware of this if you did make them full aware of the short journeys the car would be doing, but thats something between you and them, not I.
I actually know lots of people that do. Theres more out there that you can probably imagine.
I haven't at anytime thrown my teddies out as you put it. They offered after we discussed it with them. The dpf product and design are not suitable at all. If the car told you it was in process of regenerating and to drive further then fair enough but it doesn't. Also why not make this item a serviceable part? Been able to remove and clean in an approved solvent would be a good design but no the manufacturers hide away so it costs big amounts of cash to fix - duh good idea!
Also how the f @ * k can you search out for dpf filter issues when you have never heard of them! ??
I would also like to know why you feel the need to comment by calling people idiots on a forum for buying a problem car and by asking a simple question should i swap?
I suggest you run along now and play nice on iknoweverythingbecauseimatroll.co.UK
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The voice of reason
If you're going to play this game, why don't you go to www.Imanignorantfoolwhoknowsnothingandthentriestoblameanyoneelsebutmyselfwhenthingsdontturnouthowidlikethemto.co.uk
Now I don't actually think that, but when you call MEP a troll and are rude to him, that's the reaction you get from me.
No one said you should have known about DPF issues, but a simple post saying "Hi, I'm <insertnamehere> and I'm looking at a diesel 500 as my next car, I drive 6 miles a day and wanted to know what everyone thought about a diesel 500 as my next car?" and you'd have got the advice you needed.
Agreed, it should be a question they ask, if ony to save themselves hassle with unhappy customers.
Does the 500 not have a DPF warning light that comes on then? I do believe that it does, page 102 of the 2009 500 handbook. Perhaps this wasn't supplied with the car, or was the warning light faulty?
You obviously haven't done any research into DPF even when you've discovered your car has one. Why can it not be a serviceable part.....because you'd be having to change it even 100 miles, and the part is over £1k on average. Obviously a far better idea to make it user serviceable rather than last the life of the car when used as intended.
Question for you, if the 500's DPF is so problematic how comes its only a very small minority that have issues with it? Can you not just accept it wasn't designed for the use you intended for it (regardless of if you knew this, or should have known this or not).
When did I ever call you stupid for asking this? I do believe I was actually among the first few to give you some sound advise was I not?
If the OP was mainly driving their 500 on long runs then they also wouldn't have had any issues.
DPF's, that is ALL DPF's regardless of who makes them are incompatible with driving around town and doing lots of short journeys.
If anyone is at fault here it's the dealer or the customer, Fiat didn't hold a gun to the customers head and force them to buy a DPF equipped diesel. A good salesperson would have asked the customer what sort of journeys they were doing before selling them a DPF equipped diesel.
Perhaps there should be industry wide statements manufacturers that state that DPF equipped diesels are not suitable for people doing short journeys, but until its forced upon the industry you're not going to see one company seemingly advertising that their cars aren't as good as those made by other marques.
As usual this forum seems to always side with the consumer who never took time to research their purchase. A simple post on this forum would have yielded the advice that the OP would have needed. How many times has someone come on here talking about buying a diesel 500 and been quizzed about what mileage they'll be doing or whether it'll be a car driven around town?
Considering the amount of diesel 500's in the wild and the amount of owners on here, the number of issues are fairly small.
You obviously have no idea how a DPF works.
Let me post a Donald Rumsfeld quote.....
"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones."
You don't realise that you don't know anything about DPF's, to suggest that they should be user serviceable shows this. If it was as simple as this then there'd be aftermarket filters that you could service yourself, but this simply isn't feasible.
I'm sorry but you bought the wrong car.
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What do you expect them to do? It's no fault of the car if some idiot buys a diesel and expects to do only 2-3 mile journeys every time they get in it. It's user error, not Fiats.
Thanks for the rego clarification.
In Oz we refer only to model year. The registration plate here is only a broad indication to the age of the car.
Yup, plus you can fit any plate to any car in Oz
It doesn't, other than the fact that the WA plate 1AAA111 is obviously older than 1ZZZ999. But you can't specifically identify the age of a car from a plate.
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306maxi. We had already bought the car before joining the forum. Yes i should of done so before and saved a load of hassle, the main reason i joined was purely out if interest to see what other peoples cars look like and tips - certainly not to come on here and argue.
@mep when we went to said dealers i wanted my wife to buy s corsa. She was the one that wanted the 500. The brief given to the dealer whom at the time had 7-8 corsas and lots more 500s was "short journeys" so from that side he failed to fulfill his 'contract'. The cars warning light shows only if its clogged and needs to caned up the nearest motorway. A much better design in my opinion would be to state clogged status by percentage so the user can plan around the filter.
The filter should be serviceable even though im not in exhaust / engine design surely it must be achievable?
I took offence at the idiot comment that is all. I apologise if it was not intended to cause offence.
306maxi your right i know nothing about them. Hence why we bought the car.
The only car building experience i have was modifying my mini cooper s in the 90s to 2005 to produce 127bhp at the wheels. A era before confusing electronic and sstupid filters.
@mep when we went to said dealers i wanted my wife to buy s corsa. She was the one that wanted the 500. The brief given to the dealer whom at the time had 7-8 corsas and lots more 500s was "short journeys" so from that side he failed to fulfill his 'contract'. The cars warning light shows only if its clogged and needs to caned up the nearest motorway. A much better design in my opinion would be to state clogged status by percentage so the user can plan around the filter.
The filter should be serviceable even though im not in exhaust / engine design surely it must be achievable?
I took offence at the idiot comment that is all. I apologise if it was not intended to cause offence.
306maxi your right i know nothing about them. Hence why we bought the car.
The only car building experience i have was modifying my mini cooper s in the 90s to 2005 to produce 127bhp at the wheels. A era before confusing electronic and sstupid filters.
Agreed, and the annoying thing is the car knows the blockage percentage as if you've the kit you can plug it into the car and read it. Would be good if it could be displayed on the dash, perhaps in the trip info about MPG etc.
No worries, I wasn't pointing it at you, and apologise myself if it came across that way.
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And YES we bought the wrong car that is why we swapped it today
Yes, I would swap - Lounge trim is much nicer than Sport trim in my opinion. I had a Sport and wished it was a Lounge.
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